Replica or real? [help request from Switzerland and Italy] - Page 5

slider701 · #81 (**permalink**) 10-06-2014, 04:13 PM

The pedals are Kirkham......look closely in the picture of the footwell.

LMH · #82 (**permalink**) 10-06-2014, 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MOTORHEAD

The engine/tranny must have been done in the US, maybe by the "Affordable VIP Cars" outfit that Davide has unearthed, and they were the ones who got the CA title, then shipped it to Mr Phillipps in Germany, but why bother with a US reg if its being shipped out of the contry ?
And that engine still doesn't look right to me. If it's 500+ hp, it would have a high lift cam which would require tall valve covers. The ones on this engine look stock height to me. One way to be sure: Davide, can you measure the distance between 2 intake bolt heads from one side to the other ? Looks like you can fit a measure under the carb.

My Victor Jr heads have a raised valve cover rail for extra clearance. Could be the case here. (maybe)
Larry

CowtownCobra · #83 (**permalink**) 10-06-2014, 05:18 PM

Its a very nice car.

I understood that a certain European country (Switzerland I believe) doesn't allow side pipes on any street driven car. If so, I am wondering how this car is registered in Switzerland?

And that's a small block Ford for sure.

Very nice, thanks for the pictures, enjoy!

MOTORHEAD · #84 (**permalink**) 10-06-2014, 05:28 PM

I noticed the side pipe exit turns have been cut aft of the muffler and rotated down about 45* and rewelded. Probably to cut down on the noise. Could have been done in the US or GermaNY.

MOTORHEAD · #85 (**permalink**) 10-06-2014, 06:14 PM

SLIDER; Yea, we spotted those a page or two back.

DavideG · #86 (**permalink**) 10-06-2014, 06:23 PM

...edit...

DavideG · #87 (**permalink**) 10-06-2014, 06:37 PM

...edit...

DavideG · #88 (**permalink**) 10-06-2014, 06:54 PM

...edit...

LMH · #89 (**permalink**) 10-06-2014, 11:16 PM

Quote:

Trust me: this car is the loudest that I have heard in my life. I don't think that the noise is cut down at all. If you turn the engine on next to other car parked, the alarm starts playing immediately. Birds start to fly, dogs start to bark, children start to cry. We had the fortune to have other sport cars in past, some with also modified exhaust, but this one is on a total other level. Honestly, we think that is greatly exaggerated

Sounds perfect!

Larry

mrmustang · #90 (**permalink**) 10-07-2014, 05:46 AM

Folks, the forgone conclusion is that the car is indeed a Kirkham.

What more really needs to be said.

Bill S.

MOTORHEAD · #91 (**permalink**) 10-07-2014, 06:13 AM

MM: just trying to help, plus playing detective is interesting. Sure, I'd rather be out driving mine, but between the rain and the traffic, that doesn't happen that often.

Davide: i would write Mr Phillipps as he must have had something to do with the title when he imported it.

I'll see what I can do about your other questions later today.

Ted

1ntCobra · #92 (**permalink**) 10-07-2014, 06:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrmustang

Folks, the forgone conclusion is that the car is indeed a Kirkham.

What more really needs to be said.

Bill S.

Bill,

You seem to have a good grasp of how to register Cobra replicas, at least in the states. If this car has a title that looks to be less than legitimate, perhaps you might have an opinion on how easily this car might be sold and registered somewhere in Europe or perhaps it might be easier to sell it in the states. Might you suggest removing the aluminum plate covering the Kirkham number (assuming they did not grind the Kirkham number off).

bret a ewing · #93 (**permalink**) 10-07-2014, 07:40 AM

Davide,

Put an extra throttle return spring on the carb. Dont want to scratch the little fella.

86Sebring · #94 (**permalink**) 10-07-2014, 08:06 AM

Davide, please tighten the battery cover holding nuts. You wouldn't want the battery sliding around in the beautiful finished trunk.
Not sure if a Dyno test will reveal the size of the engine? Perhaps bring the car to a respected garage and have them remove the heads and take some measurements, that would clear things up.
And Davide, please take the car out and floor it like it was meant to, before you decide to sell it

Buzz · #95 (**permalink**) 10-07-2014, 08:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrmustang

Folks, the forgone conclusion is that the car is indeed a Kirkham.

What more really needs to be said.

Bill S.

Figuring out that it's a Kirkham was the easy part. The gentleman has paperwork that shows the car's origin as 10 years before Kirkham built it. He is looking for help in finding the truth, and in the spirit of this great forum, he is getting that help. What could possibly be your beef with that, mr.mustang?

It appears there's been some creative titling going on and it would be wise to learn as much as possible before becoming part of the chain by trying to sell the car as is.

LMH · #96 (**permalink**) 10-07-2014, 11:14 AM

Could the title be from the year of the engine?
Larry

MOTORHEAD · #97 (**permalink**) 10-07-2014, 01:02 PM

Larry : No. The first year for the 260 cu" was around 1961/62. the 351w came later.
The 427 W I think requires an aftermarket block, which is a fairly new product.

LMH · #98 (**permalink**) 10-07-2014, 01:27 PM

Yeah, as best I can find out, it came out about 69. 427 CI can be achieved in a production block using a long stroke crank. I can't remember what the stroke is... 4.040" or something like that. High piston speed for sure though.
Larry

mrmustang · #99 (**permalink**) 10-07-2014, 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1ntCobra

Bill,

You seem to have a good grasp of how to register Cobra replicas, at least in the states. If this car has a title that looks to be less than legitimate, perhaps you might have an opinion on how easily this car might be sold and registered somewhere in Europe or perhaps it might be easier to sell it in the states. Might you suggest removing the aluminum plate covering the Kirkham number (assuming they did not grind the Kirkham number off).

The issue with titling the car overseas depends on the local providential government body. Each town has it's own rules and regulations in areas like Switzerland, Austria, certain parts of Spain (Madrid for example). One local rule does not supersede another. In this case the owner (OP) has a fraudulent (IE: not a real title, but something conjured up from a LaserJet printer) California title, so technically he has no ownership papers to prove he actually owns what he is in possession of.

As for the original poster attempting to circumnavigate his local laws by using said fraudulent paperwork, that is the risk alone he will have to decide to take and potentially lose the car to government inpoundment, forfeiture , and destruction. Sounds almost impossible, ask Mr Muck, I'm sure he can fill you in on at least one or two that have been crushed.

Bill S.

PS: No beef with anyone, just hate for anyone to get sucked in to such an issue years down the road by reading this thread.

RodKnock · #**100** (**permalink**) 10-07-2014, 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1ntCobra

So 0469 is from 2006, but you have a non-correct looking title that says the car was titled in California in 1996, 10 years before it was manufactured. I bet Rick is right that the California title is fake.

Rick is right. The CA title is fake.

License Plate #2UHN4--?
The end of the "2" series license plates was reached in 1992 and the plate series changed over to 3AAA000. Maybe the '61 Bristol's license plate was 2UHN4--?

The VIN is LAC017? CA won't register/issue a VIN# that short. My CA VIN# uses the Kirkham issued chassis#, which is 11 characters. So, the VIN number should be at least 11 characters long, if not longer.

Registration issue date is 9/28/96. Registration expiration date is two weeks earlier on 9/14/96.

And the biggest clue that the title certificate is bogus? FEES PAID NONE. Come on, this is California. No business transacted at the DMV is free. Seriously?