"Taurus fan" in a Kirkham - Page 2

rodneym · #21 (**permalink**) 09-22-2017, 12:38 PM

MOTORHEAD,

Please keep us updated with pics (I haven't seen this install in a CSX/KMP) and results.

BTW, I just installed a 16" Spal pusher directly in front of my H.O. puller, to create a fan/radiator sandwich. Dick Smith had this setup and David Kirkham said it works...and it does. There was some concern online whether this setup would create standing waves but the secret is that the fans have to turn opposite direction, like the dual propellers on that old Russian bomber, the Tupolev Tu-95. I bought an anemometer and measured. I got 23% greater wind speed with the pusher helping the puller. Of course there's another 20 amp draw and you have to set that up accordingly. When I have time I'll do a write up on the project.

Again, please keep us updated.

patrickt · #22 (**permalink**) 09-22-2017, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by rodneym

When I have time I'll do a write up on the project.

Yeah, yeah, yeah -- you've got the time. Just do it. There's an old saying that I've always found to be true: "If you want something done quickly, give it to a busy man."

rodneym · #23 (**permalink**) 09-22-2017, 02:57 PM

It's gonna take time to do this write up the patrickt way.
I gotta go to the manicurist, get my dog groomed, clean my doilies and recharge my camera battery. And then write the damn thing!

FWB · #24 (**permalink**) 09-22-2017, 04:02 PM

i believe the dog gets a manicure also......

MOTORHEAD · #25 (**permalink**) 09-27-2017, 04:30 PM

Undy: Thanks for the link, I'll be calling him with some questions.
Received my Taurus fan today, and started the install. As mentioned by the OP earlier,
the steering rack is in the way, as are the front suspension towers on both sides !!!
My first trimming of the shroud, with the unit top side up bottomed on the steering rack.
The left side is the worst because of the junction of the rack and pinion, and left the top standing proud by 2+". And that was after carving away some of the fan motor support structure. No way in hell was this going to fit ! So I turned it bottom side up and carved away on the top side (now on the bottom) And the best fit accomplished by carving a lot more, left the top of the shroud (bottom) level with a 1.5" alum piece I pop riveted to the radiator top piece. more later.

Ted

MOTORHEAD · #26 (**permalink**) 09-28-2017, 06:56 AM

I'm going to try to post some pics:
1st pic: the shroud is so deep because the motor is!! 4.75" (3rd pic)
2nd pic: fan/shroud standing proud after 1st trimming, top side up. Bottomed out on strng rack.

MOTORHEAD · #27 (**permalink**) 09-28-2017, 07:24 AM

After I got it installed, I temporarily wired it to the old fan wires, on the new fan plug black is ground, hi speed is brown with yellow tracer. Flipped the sw on, and the damn thing BLOWS !!! I assumed this fan was a "puller" I reversed the wires and it pulls, but I shouldn't have to do that ! Were they mounted in front of the radiator in the Taurus ??

cycleguy55 · #28 (**permalink**) 09-28-2017, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by MOTORHEAD

After I got it installed, I temporarily wired it to the old fan wires, on the new fan plug black is ground, hi speed is brown with yellow tracer. Flipped the sw on, and the damn thing BLOWS !!! I assumed this fan was a "puller" I reversed the wires and it pulls, but I shouldn't have to do that ! Were they mounted in front of the radiator in the Taurus ??

Original fans were installed in Taureses (Tauri?) as pullers, per this illustration (note the radiator outlet direction):

eschaider · #29 (**permalink**) 09-29-2017, 04:08 PM

I can not speak highly enough about the Hollister Road guys or their products. About four years ago or thereabouts I spoke to them about building an enhanced version of their Auto Cool 85 which was a 85 AMP fan controller for a Lincoln Mk VIII fan.

I wanted to run an electric water pump along with the fan and I didn't want to load my electrical system with both the water pump and the fan's current draws. They built the controller for me. Today it is available on their site for anyone to buy, click here => Auto Cool 85 RT. I originally paid several times the price it is available for today but mine was the very first and essentially a custom build.

What the controller does is seamlessly ramp fan and water pump speeds up and down to maintain a target engine coolant temp you specify. When you get to highway speeds and the electric fan is not needed the controller shuts off the fan. When you park the car the controller will run both the electric water pump and the fan for a minute or so after key off to help cool down the engine and prevent hotspots.

When you use the controller you no longer use a thermostat because it creates a closed loop system tracking coolant temp at the engine coolant outlet on its way back to the radiator and seamlessly raises or lowers both fan and water pump speeds to maintain that target temp you set. It's like a hound dog tracking a rabbit, it never stops and it is dead on target.

Very nice product, extraordinary people.

Ed

MOTORHEAD · #30 (**permalink**) 09-29-2017, 05:03 PM

Brian; thanks for the pic/confirmation. After looking things over this AM, it was my wiring mistake. I had checked my pos/neg wires with my meter, but as they were both the same color, I hooked them up bass akward anyway!. All ok now.

Ed: I hear ya, I was going to get their kit, but the temp sensors killed it for me, no place to install them. I spent the last 25 yrs repairing/replacing aircraft electronic devices that failed. I will manage this fan with a spdt switch. KISS ! Yes, i'm stuck in the 60's !!

Ted

MOTORHEAD · #31 (**permalink**) 10-04-2017, 07:26 AM

Finished the mechanical installation of the fan, starting electrical today. It's going to take a couple or three days, as I'm also moving battery from behind the pass seat to trunk, switching battery type, moving fuel pump & filter out of trunk. Opening a can of worms I'm sure !

Undy : are you in Fl ??

undy · #32 (**permalink**) 10-04-2017, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by MOTORHEAD

Finished the mechanical installation of the fan, starting electrical today. It's going to take a couple or three days, as I'm also moving battery from behind the pass seat to trunk, switching battery type, moving fuel pump & filter out of trunk. Opening a can of worms I'm sure !

Undy : are you in Fl ??

No, I'll be down there the 19th of this month.

eschaider · #33 (**permalink**) 10-05-2017, 08:02 PM

Apologies for the delay in responding Motorhead, I was busy lowering the alligator level in my personal swamp.

This is the gizmo you want to use for the sensor;

It goes in the upper radiator hose and the sensor screws into the 1//8 NPT port. Very clean, very easy if you want to use their controller.

Ed

p.s. Forgot to mention it is an eBay part for about $13 if I remember correctly

MOTORHEAD · #34 (**permalink**) 10-07-2017, 07:37 AM

Ed: thanks for the info, those are pretty clever ! I've got it wired to relays and a 3 pos switch for now, we'll see how it works. May go sensor controlled later.

Ted

MKS427 · #35 (**permalink**) 10-09-2017, 11:39 AM

I have heard the Taurus fan works well and does pull about 40 amp in high.
If you are having low speed issues, a proper shroud is the best place to start to ensure you are using 100% of the radiator.
When selecting a fan, DO NOT accept the listed CFM as real world. You have to do a little internet research. Go to the fan manufactures website and look up the specs for the specific model number. You want to ignore any CFM ratings below 0.7". Generally, low amperage fans, below 20 amps roughly, will not pull or push air above 0.7".
Mark

MOTORHEAD · #36 (**permalink**) 10-16-2017, 06:57 AM

This will be short with no pics due to the slowness of this site, but I wanted to let all interested parties know that a test drive last Friday was successful , with low speed keeping water temp @ < 95C at stoplites, and high speed keeping it @ 80 C. and at 40mph, high will pull temp below 80C.
Re: current draw on low was < 20 amp, on high < 25 amp, measured with induction meter, and in-line meter, with high spikes at turn-on.

rodneym · #37 (**permalink**) 10-16-2017, 10:54 AM

Excellent!!
Congrats, Motorhead.

cycleguy55 · #38 (**permalink**) 10-16-2017, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by MOTORHEAD

This will be short with no pics due to the slowness of this site, but I wanted to let all interested parties know that a test drive last Friday was successful , with low speed keeping water temp @ < 95C at stoplites, and high speed keeping it @ 80 C. and at 40mph, high will pull temp below 80C.
Re: current draw on low was < 20 amp, on high < 25 amp, measured with induction meter, and in-line meter, with high spikes at turn-on.

Are you using a fuse or a circuit breaker in your fan circuit? I set mine up with a self-resetting circuit breaker and a pair of relays in parallel - each relay can handle the load, but they share it in a redundant configuration.

MOTORHEAD · #39 (**permalink**) 10-16-2017, 05:44 PM

Brian: I'm using 2 70 amp relays fused at 20 & 30 amps for lo & hi.

Ted