Cobra replica alum body by Alloycars on ebay

[jmimac351]

Originally Posted by Alloycars

best idea ever since this thread has been opened. But i think we can do this a little bit quicker. If you have some guys who can show up in west palm beach in january 11th, at the "supercar week" show were we are present with some cars we are building. Or getting a reporter...publicity...i like this idea a lot. If you can indicate one just let me know or send him whenever you want. Thank you for your fantastic idea.
But, there is a rumor here that florida people are not welcome to the rest of the usa clubcobra forum. Maybe sometimes someone explain it to me because i dont get it


tom

Tom, I will be at Homestead-Miami Speedway next weekend (Jan 3 / 4) for a track event with Chin Motorsports. If you want to bring a car, feel free. You'll be able to pull the trailer into the paddock and let the "Miami Money" car guys look at it. I'll bring my Canon 7D and take pictures of it from every which angle and post for all to see.

Send me a message if you'd like to do it as I don't normally lug that camera. It won't cost you a dime other than gas money...

Jim

[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by Alloycars

Dear mrmustang.

My name is Ingo and I am the owner of Alloycars. I got some attention to this forum looking up my emails I got after I came back from my vacation in Germany (first one in 15 years).
I was looking over the thread and was very upset about how bad my long year friend Tom took care about our business in my absence,specially answering emails and customer requests.
I cant really follow what this is about but as I understood he wanted to surprise me advertising our new product and having some sales before I am coming back. At this moment I still try to figure out what else he has done.
I can not be mad for someone who has good intention as everybody can make mistakes, but treating forum members this way is absolutely not acceptable.
There were posted photos and information I cant follow as I dont see nothing wrong when I came back but so many forum members and so many obvious replies cant be wrong.
I am deeply in shame as this is not my philosophy. I wanted to use this forum in the future to give me some ideas and critics to perfecting our products. But those actions from my trusted sales manager are totally unacceptable.
I fired Tom immediately and he still was thinking that he is right what bothers me even more. Nothing like this happened in the last 20 years since I am making custom aluminum cars with my team. We are on first place on Google for our aluminum 550 Spyder with 100% excellent reputation from visitors and customers. I think this is why I treat them myself.
I needed a sales manager for my new Cobra business and my first choice was Tom as he knows everything about us and the project. I was so wrong.

Now I am searching for a new sales manager but this will be not so easy. I will have to take care about until everything is going as it must be.

I am asking for accepting my deepest apology and I am fully responsible for actions made in my name and in my company. When I am looking over this thread I still can't believe what happened here.
I am deeply in shame and there are no words to describe how I feel. We are working very hard as this is a hard job. Firing him was one of my best things I have done so far...but for what a price.

Hope you understand and lets start this new year following new ideas with new friends.

Sincerely

Ingo

Ingo,

Your "Friend" Tom must have also been your webmaster as well, as every time we caught him in a lie, mysteriously, the pictures in question were swapped for other stolen images in a short time. File name changes included in an attempt to cover his behind.

The bottom line is that your friend "Tom" was not te start of your problems, as your web site (I've seen it prior to the last Ebay auction) showed pictures of a Factory Five fiberglass car, a Kirkham, and a Kirkham bodies, Factory Five MK II prototype as your own product. The files are still on your server (copies have been archived by various online services that do so for all web sites) as of this morning. So the nefarious means to an end backfired on you and your company. I suspect at this time that "Tom" is actually you, based on the Ebay conversation and posts here, your mannerism and writing style is identical to "Tom". Your excuse for not traveling 5,000 miles back from vacation to show someone a car (Ebay and here, several people who inquired) is the same excuse that you have in your email to me. I think you grossly underestimated the knowledge base of your prospective customer(s) for an aluminum bodies Cobra replica, and you are now attempting to place all blame on the mysterious Tom. Sadly in your case, your posts and your emails have been traced back to one and the same account. Perhaps coming clean, being 100% honest, and facing up to your mistakes might get you out of the doghouse you are in right now. I suspect not, and that you have made enough mistakes to cause irreparable harm to your reputation in the Cobra circles, both real and replica.

Regardless, I wish you well.

Bill S.

[Bernica]

WOW! That's all I can say...

[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by Alloycars

You are right.
One word only: You will find always people who are talking bad about new things or trying to find out how to put stones in their way being skeptic about everything what coming
up new. I had this already with my Spyder and at the end of the story those people are loosing her face as soon I remind everybody and put my finger to those people who talked bad in the past. But for the reason that you maybe didnt get it yet....we are real. And thank you a lot for this free advertising as many customers didnt believe anyway what you tried to suggest as there is Google...you can find everything about us.

I wish you all the best.

Ingo,

It's truly sad you had to play such games with your target audience right from the start. It was also sad that you could not just confess to the sins of using someone elses hard earned work and credit it as your own. Then when caught, continue to manipulate your web server in an attempt to hide your underhandedness. Then your message above to me saying that you fired "Tom" when you found out about his posts here, only to then fess up and let everyone know that "Tom" was really you in the first place, as if we did not know. Sad that you felt the need to continue on with you lies, as it does not put a good light on yourself or your company. Regardless of your standing with your Porsche replica (as a PCA member, those circles like your product) offering. Finally, the labeling of a certain Factory Five MK II with a Kirkham body on it as your own was the final death knell in these circles. As they say, you can fool some of the people some of the time. But an attempt to fool some of us in these replica circles backfired, and now you are just jerking yourself off to think that this is good PR for your company.

While I still wish you well, I'm thinking that your days in the Cobra replica business will be short lived due to your own personal actions, and your lack of taking personal responsibility for those actions on this site.



Bill S.

[Bernica]

It probably should be noted that all of these threads are archived and available for anyone to do a search for "Alloy Cars" in the future. And I don't believe the thread will show up in the advertising section. Just sayin'..

[FritoBandito]

Well at least he's tenacious.

Mario

[REAL 1]

Oey vey.

He keeps digging the hole deeper and deeper.

[Bernica]

Maybe use some of those frequent flyer miles and make a few trips to places like Kirkham and Panel Craft with hat in hands....but at this point, I don't think so. Pretty much screwed the pooch here and everywhere.

[Alloycars]

Dear mrmustang. Can I ask you why you are so worry about my business is going well? I dont get it. You never have seen us, I dont know you. Who do you want protect from what? The only guy here in this forum who is using and publishing photos as I can see is you, and you only. Even Tom (yes, our imaginable friend) assumed that he was wrong using some FFR pictures but you are doing everything to take YOUR mistake out of the question. YOU HAVE USED ALLOYCARS PHOTOS AND CLAIMED THAT THERE ARE NOT OURS.
Anyway, I see that this is not going nowhere and guys like you never will change. For me you are like an elderly nosy woman sneaking behind windows and even worst...you must be blind too.
By the way...Everybody can see TOM...live behind our WEB cameras. The big bold German looking guy. I kicked him out from his position but this doesnt mean that I put an old friend on a street who had good intentions making some mistakes, but he will not more related to sales, but at our workshop....and he will be at the Supercar week in Palm Beach on day 11th this month too. SO YOU CAN MEET HIM LIVE... And me too and it will be my pleasure to kick you back to space where you come from.
So please mr-inventer ..whats next? New lies...new inventions. Oh, I forgot you are spying from Google earth. You are welcome.

[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by Alloycars

Dear mrmustang. Can I ask you why you are so worry about my business is going well? I dont get it. You never have seen us, I dont know you. Who do you want protect from what? The only guy here in this forum who is using and publishing photos as I can see is you, and you only. Even Tom (yes, our imaginable friend) assumed that he was wrong using some FFR pictures but you are doing everything to take YOUR mistake out of the question. YOU HAVE USED ALLOYCARS PHOTOS AND CLAIMED THAT THERE ARE NOT OURS.
Anyway, I see that this is not going nowhere and guys like you never will change. For me you are like an elderly nosy woman sneaking behind windows and even worst...you must be blind too.
By the way...Everybody can see TOM...live behind our WEB cameras. The big bold German looking guy. I kicked him out from his position but this doesnt mean that I put an old friend on a street who had good intentions making some mistakes, but he will not more related to sales, but at our workshop....and he will be at the Supercar week in Palm Beach on day 11th this month too. SO YOU CAN MEET HIM LIVE... And me too and it will be my pleasure to kick you back to space where you come from.
So please mr-inventer ..whats next? New lies...new inventions. Oh, I forgot you are spying from Google earth. You are welcome.

Ingo (I mean Tom )

You keep digging yourself deeper and deeper into the pit of despair, the only person fooled by your posts is yourself. As for the threat of harm, thanks, it shows that I hit the nail right on the head. I'll perhaps see you in Palm Beach during the show as I know a few of the promoters from past events. The question is, will you know who you are speaking with, and what lies you will get caught up in out in public with the potential of the TV cameras rolling.Hope you are not planning to use that Kirkham provided, aluminum bodied FFR MK II (the one now being used on your cobra web page) build as your own, when everyone knows it is not.


Bill S.

[J.Jensen]

Mr. Alloycars,

I have not read the whole thread - I will not either - but just by looking at the last page here where you have been involved, and let me be clear and frank, not all PR is good PR in the sales business.
I doesn't matter if you or Bill is right, the way you are replying on your potential customers most frequented Cobra site isn't going to sell you any cars. We already have a manufacturer who combines immaculate alu bodies and alu bodied replicas with maners, advice and very good self representation. An unknown, rude and (allegedly?) lying manufacturer of a product is not really sparking interest.

When I saw this post had replies from the producer of the product in question, I was so happy to read what you brought to the discussion. Too bad (for you) the level of the other manufacturers who contribute here have set as standard led me to a false hope of good replies from you too.

Best of luck with your cobra business.

JJ

[Bernica]

I made an offer to pay to have a car transported for a member to inspect and never heard a thing. Same offer stands to just have a member stop by and visit the shop and the cars. I am sure there are several members close to you.
Not expecting a reply.

[Alloycars]

Originally Posted by mrmustang

Ingo (I mean Tom )

You keep digging yourself deeper and deeper into the pit of despair, the only person fooled by your posts is yourself. As for the threat of harm, thanks, it shows that I hit the nail right on the head. I'll perhaps see you in Palm Beach during the show as I know a few of the promoters from past events. The question is, will you know who you are speaking with, and what lies you will get caught up in out in public with the potential of the TV cameras rolling.Hope you are not planning to use that Kirkham provided, aluminum bodied FFR MK II (the one now being used on your cobra web page) build as your own, when everyone knows it is not.


Bill S.

Yes, so lets dig. Specially when we meet you and the world can see how an precious aluminum body can fit in somebodies butt...

And as expected there are new inventions from you. Now we are using "Kirham provided bodies" ???....man... you must have a real problem.

[mrmustang]

I predict this picture will soon change

[REAL 1]

Alloycars: My suggestion. STOP.

Come back when you have completed a Cobra bodied replica that you constructed with detailed pics. Perhaps then we all can talk.

Just say'n.

P.S. Hire someone who has better English skills.

[Alloycars]

Originally Posted by mrmustang

I predict this picture will soon change

O Mister mrmustang or Bill. Are you some kind of retarded posting OUR PHOTOS AGAIN? THOSE ARE PROTECTED PHOTOS FROM ALLOYCARS INC in Florida.

What is the problem with you??? Should I call 911....I mean you need help, for real.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by Alloycars

Should I call 911....I mean you need help, for real.

Yes, let's tie up the emergency lines with a Cobra-related issue. That makes sense.

[Bernica]

This is just too good! Trying to work, but it's like driving by a car wreck.
JAMO, please don't cut him loose yet!
Let's all just watch how deep that hole goes...

[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by Alloycars

O Mister mrmustang or Bill. Are you some kind of retarded posting OUR PHOTOS AGAIN? THOSE ARE PROTECTED PHOTOS FROM ALLOYCARS INC in Florida.

What is the problem with you??? Should I call 911....I mean you need help, for real.

With your dialog here, the use of this photograph is allowed by US copyright laws.

Now the questions back at you:

Will you be showing this very car at the Palm Beach extravaganza ?
Are you sure you or your company actually built that car?
Are you certain this is not the MK II aluminum bodied FFR that sold in Florida a year or two ago?

Be very careful how you respond, your reputation is on the line here as none of the bodies shown on your web page, or your web cam look anything like it.

Have a good evening

Bill S.

[Alloycars]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Alloycars: My suggestion. STOP.

Come back when you have completed a Cobra bodied replica that you constructed with detailed pics. Perhaps then we all can talk.

Just say'n.

P.S. Hire someone who has better English skills.

I could, but I like to see more inventions from mrmustang...its funny. But you are right, I need a new sales representative...urgent.
By the way, we are at the show next week so everybody can look and touch So all inventions from whatever side will be cleared at once.

Thank you for your advice and a happy new year.