Cobra replica alum body by Alloycars on ebay

[AL427SBF]

Another 'American trait', the voice of one thinks it represents the voice of many. Threats have gone both ways on this thread and I believe the 1st veiled one came from Bill. All this banter, although highly entertaining, should be taken with a grain of salt imo. None of this would deter me from going after an ALC Spyder if that's what I wanted.
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[Alloycars]

Originally Posted by Rawkkrawler

Keep fighting the good fight??

This man is trying to sell a premium product yet he argues against all logic from any member that offers advice, support, or the request to stand down.

Bill, you're perhaps a bit too logical. The words he reads are not even close to being processed in a manner that would benefit him or his company. There must be someone near his shop, perhaps a 10 year old, that can guide him toward a sentence or anything that makes a fraction of sense.

Ingo, breath a little. This is not a fight you'll win. Go back to the beginning, read it all over again. Hopefully you'll find where it all went wrong. The stolen pictures, the constant insults, and even the use of the word "retard". Not cool.


Just my opinion.

Agree fully. Will take a little breath and when the time comes we can start over and I will be last one who is not willing to help with my experience.
I cant really hide my expression for members who are not willing to go the objective and true pass. This will never change as I am going to tell the truth about what I think about....sorry.
I will be present at the Exhibition together with part of my team and...the ghost....TOM who started this whole thing. He is offering to apologize to everybody that he, lets say, made things wrong. I have forgiven him and there is not any reason why you guys shouldnt do the same. He is not such the good sales man as I thought....same with me.
If I stepped on feet from objective members I really apologize. If I stepped on someone foot who deserved it....nice....as I told you I never will hide myself behind some insulting threads. I will defend myself until the end.
So lets meet you guys at the exhibition or some representatives and lets go on from there.
Critics are very welcome....
So if you are with me at this point we can just start over. But until no "Cobra" related guy have seen my facility I prefer to be in the background a little bit. Still searching a sales manager in my area. And for who it does matters....I am German....not Floridan

[mikeinatlanta]

IF he is actually making alloy bodies and
IF the bodies are being built to fit the FFR chassis and
IF he would be forthcoming with details and information and
IF he chose a path other than arguing and insulting potential customers and
IF he were capable of admitting poor judgment in stealing others photos and claiming it to be his work

I might be interested in buying an alloy body for my FFR. Somehow I doubt that the check book will out anytime soon.

[AL427SBF]

Ingo, what you last said is fair and I get it completely (my grandfather came from Germany). I understand the cultural differences and much of what has been said here has not translated well. I hope some stand-up cobra enthusiasts show up at the exhibition or your factory, I have no doubt that all of the concerns raised here will be put to bed at that time.
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[Alloycars]

Originally Posted by mikeinatlanta

IF he is actually making alloy bodies and
IF the bodies are being built to fit the FFR chassis and
IF he would be forthcoming with details and information and
IF he chose a path other than arguing and insulting potential customers and
IF he were capable of admitting poor judgment in stealing others photos and claiming it to be his work

I might be interested in buying an alloy body for my FFR. Somehow I doubt that the check book will out anytime soon.

Hi Mike,

believe me, your checkbook will be not the problem as they will be really affordable but before I go to tell about someone about our FFR body idea I prefer to someone see it with its own eyes sometimes in February.... but this is very depend if I want personally go forward with this idea.
This is something I wanted to ask and get opinions in this forum but now I am asking myself if I have to go blind in this project or be eaten by wolfes before I even start this idea.
I am starting three FFR units end of this month...this is the only thing I can tell.

[Bernica]

The Pioneers took the arrows, the settlers took the land.
Nothing wrong with trying to be a pioneer..it just hurts sometimes. Maybe try to become a settler?

[Bill D]

Originally Posted by Alloycars

Here it is:

Alloycars Inc.
756 NW 27th Ave
Fort Lauderdale-FL-33311

[Alloycars]

Originally Posted by Bill D

Yes, there we are...the whole building left of Prestigious...20,000sft.

[Bernica]

Müssen Sie achten
You need to pay attention here. Some folks are actually trying to save you from your own mess, but I think you have already set your course. God Speed.

[Alloycars]

Originally Posted by Bernica

Müssen Sie achten
You need to pay attention here. Some folks are actually trying to save you from your own mess, but I think you have already set your course. God Speed.

Got it

[mrmustang]

Ingo/Tom (separate or as one),

The problem started not by me, but by "Tom", when pointed out that he was using pictures from another manufacturer, he denied doing so and told all of us that we were wrong. When the manufacturer of the car being used not only in your ebay ad, but on your web site chimed in, magically the picture was changed (same file name, but different picture). When we pointed out the use of another manufacturers finished car (and who that car belonged to I might add), again, magically the file name remained the same, yet the pictures changed (by the way, some of these pictures are still on your server as of this evening). I see at least three other shots on your web site which were taken off the web and used without permission, a car owned by another FFR member, and a shot of a CSX4000 series car. Magically, I suspect that all I just mentioned will be gone in no time (unless of course you want the file name and extensions first to make it easier). Again, as status quo, I'll expect to be called crazy, stupid, retarded, or any number of undesirable adjectives,and you (Ingo/Tom) will once again deny any wrong doing.

This is not an issue with you being German, Polish, or any other ethnic name you would like to fill in, this has to do with being ready to admit your wrong doing, and stop attempting to hide what has happened in the past. This continued denial on your part is your downfall, as it is plain for all to see what has happened, both when this thread started, and where it ended up as of this evening. No amount of back pedalling will change that.

So, how do you fix the unfixable, come clean, for starters. Then show just your work, and your work alone, without showing another car and claiming it as your own. There are many who had real "hands on" time with the Kirkham supplied, aluminum bodied FFR MK II, and no matter how you paint, polish, or clean it, the car will still not be a product of your company, and when seen out in public by those with that hands on time with it, will know it for what it is, not for what you are projecting it as. Next, I'd suggest removing any content that is not yours from your server, only use your own content (not just pictures grabbed from the web, and again, not of something which is not your product). Finally, be honest with everyone from this day forward. My mother taught me a long time ago, "it is easier to remember the truth, than a lie". I try to live that every day of my life, you might want to as well.

In closing, I was ready to give you the benefit of the doubt until you/Tom made threats against me, all while inviting me to visit your shop, all while perpetuating the lies that still are contained in this thread. if and when I do, I can promise you I won't announce myself ahead of time so as to give you time to "prepare the shop for a good showing". Nor will I come alone, for I now fear that harm might befall me due to your/Tom's irrational behavior here.


As they say, the ball is in your court, you have a choice to make, and that choice will define you and your company forever. I certainly hope you decide to make the right choice.


Have a good evening.


Bill S.

Originally Posted by Alloycars

Agree fully. Will take a little breath and when the time comes we can start over and I will be last one who is not willing to help with my experience.
I cant really hide my expression for members who are not willing to go the objective and true pass. This will never change as I am going to tell the truth about what I think about....sorry.
I will be present at the Exhibition together with part of my team and...the ghost....TOM who started this whole thing. He is offering to apologize to everybody that he, lets say, made things wrong. I have forgiven him and there is not any reason why you guys shouldnt do the same. He is not such the good sales man as I thought....same with me.
If I stepped on feet from objective members I really apologize. If I stepped on someone foot who deserved it....nice....as I told you I never will hide myself behind some insulting threads. I will defend myself until the end.
So lets meet you guys at the exhibition or some representatives and lets go on from there.
Critics are very welcome....
So if you are with me at this point we can just start over. But until no "Cobra" related guy have seen my facility I prefer to be in the background a little bit. Still searching a sales manager in my area. And for who it does matters....I am German....not Floridan

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by mrmustang

Can't you find that on RT22 near Bound Brook

You've been there?

[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

You've been there?

Back when I was in my early 20's

As a side note to this thread tangent, did you know the original Boundbrook Diner is now located in Charlotte, NC. Stumbled across it at a Cars & Coffee function last July while we were exploring south if the mason/Dixon

Bill S.

[cycleguy55]

Alloycars:

I've been following this thread from the beginning, and it appears you and your 'team' have made classic mistakes with regard to building and protecting your 'brand'. As I'm sure you understand, it's much easier to destroy a reputation than it is to build one. Regardless, it seems by your most recent posts that you've seen the light and are prepared to start fresh.

As your 550 seems to indicate your shop is quite capable of very good products, I'm sure there are many on CC who may be interested in what you have to offer in the Cobra world. That certainly seems supported by the relatively short time frame in which this thread has grown! Having said that, and has others have stated, nobody is about to open their wallets unless they know and trust who it is they're dealing with. I certainly have an interest in the topic of culture and reputation, and a good starting point for you and your new sales manager / representative might be something like this article: How to Build (or Rebuild) Trust

You're welcome.

[mikeinatlanta]

Originally Posted by Alloycars

Hi Mike,

believe me, your checkbook will be not the problem as they will be really affordable but before I go to tell about someone about our FFR body idea I prefer to someone see it with its own eyes sometimes in February.... but this is very depend if I want personally go forward with this idea.
This is something I wanted to ask and get opinions in this forum but now I am asking myself if I have to go blind in this project or be eaten by wolfes before I even start this idea.
I am starting three FFR units end of this month...this is the only thing I can tell.

When taken in context with the rest of this thread, your answer seems a bit elusive. For anyone with and FFR, using your body will present issues that require some specifics that will not be answered by looking at a car in a show and you don't seem willing to share. I'm not sure if you are in fact being elusive or maybe aren't aware of how critical some of these issues will be.

For example: The infamous FFR perky butt. I expect many who would be willing to pay for an alloy body have modified their FFR with what is called a "drop butt" mod, which gives a look closer to an original car. While the fiberglass body accommodates this mod quite nicely, an alloy body would most likely have significant issue dealing with the stresses induced. FFR owners need to know exactly which FFR frame you are using, what you are doing at all body mount interface locations, and whether your body has the perky butt.

There are more examples but quite frankly, one more "just come an look at it" and I'm out. If you can't (or won't) be bothered to answer specific questions, you certainly aren't worth my time to go and look. I went all the way to Miami to have a custom aluminum trailer built, but he was actually willing to answer specific questions.

[SPF1061]

If I may make an observation. Alloycars is perhaps the world's worst salesman. He has shown photos of product as "representative" of what his work will be like without being clear that they are not actual photos of his work. He has been elusive in his response to questions in that regard. He has become abusive and even threatening in those responses. He speaks from a non native U.S. English vernacular that makes him appear crude and illiterate. Those are all impressions created here. Given that. He may just be a world class craftsman capable of creating excellent aluminum cobra bodies at an affordable price. He has demonstrated that he has produced aluminum bodied replcas of another classic car that have gotten rave reviews. He has said that he is working on Cobra bodies that will be on display at specific locations on specific dates in the near future. For me, the put up or shut up moment came when he posted the exact address of his shop and invited any members who wished to come see what he was doing and he would buy lunch. There is not a single taker? No members near Ft Lauderdale? At this point I find it a bit embarrassing that fellow CC members will continue to sit at their keyboards and hurl attacks but no one will get of their ass and check the deal out first hand. (I'm in Richmond, VA, so no, I'm not going.) Is their no member close enough to go by this guy's shop? I don't know if Alloycars is a an artist or a shyster or a combination, but I do know that this thread lost a lot of it's previous appeal to me when an open invitation was extended and no one accepted, yet the condemnation continued. Just my take.

[G-Pete]

Originally Posted by SPF1061

He has become abusive and even threatening in those responses. He speaks from a non native American vernacular that makes him appear crude and illiterate.

Well, I can speak from experience first hand on this subject. The German grammar is pretty complicated and the words available in German is many times more than you can find in the American English.
Although many similar words are used and when a German want to be polite even with a small set of vocabulary - he can and will.

Lucky, is the correct word to use when I think of ALLOYCARS. Lucky because the lengthy thread is not locked yet and leaves these guys another chance.

Lucky because of people like you - good Americans, who believe in second chances (however #8 or so is in place), try not to be judgmental and be once awhile the devils advocate.




Frankly I understand why FL members don't go - just read what they planned to do to Bill's buttocks. What they expect is a Paul Teutul Sr. greeting them.



Now to some history. Past behavior predicts future behavior.

Originally Posted by alum550

I got all my inspirations from this man. One historic icon is gone. No words...
Ingo from Alloycars

05-11-2012
Very interesting postings

Originally Posted by alum550

Hello all, my name is Ozzie and I own Alloycars, we now specialize in exact 100 point...

Now we have a 3rd player, it's getting better - read on...

Originally Posted by alum550

Fact is I have these 14 bodies from an early stage in our business that I'd have to sell first. the better question is why someone would not simply buy the body from Kirkham. they are original copies and fit original frames don't they? I think they're pretty cheap too. We make everything with a hammer and they stamp their stuff so the cost/time difference is hard to justify. Anyways, would be glad to help anyone interested in a re-body.
Thank you

More posts of Ingo, Tom, alum550, Ozzy, ALLOYCARS and what the names are...http://www.clubcobra.com/forums/sear...archid=2247667


I'm gonna stop here. For me the case is closed. This goes on for too long, sorry these guys lost their marbles long time ago.


Sad to see a talent goes to waste like that.


BUYER BEWARE!

[G-Pete]

So folks, we are looking not only for 150 cars - made somewhere. We are looking for 14 more "made in America"


ALLOYCARS, we are not that stupid as you think.



Over and out!

[Alloycars]

Again:
Agree fully. Will take a little breath and when the time comes we can start over and I will be last one who is not willing to help with my experience.
I cant really hide my expression for members who are not willing to go the objective and true pass. This will never change as I am going to tell the truth about what I think about....sorry.
I will be present at the Exhibition together with part of my team and...the ghost....TOM who started this whole thing. He is offering to apologize to everybody that he, lets say, made things wrong. I have forgiven him and there is not any reason why you guys shouldnt do the same. He is not such the good sales man as I thought....same with me.
If I stepped on feet from objective members I really apologize. If I stepped on someone foot who deserved it....nice....as I told you I never will hide myself behind some insulting threads. I will defend myself until the end.
So lets meet you guys at the exhibition or some representatives and lets go on from there.
Critics are very welcome....
So if you are with me at this point we can just start over. But until no "Cobra" related guy have seen my facility I prefer to be in the background a little bit. Still searching a sales manager in my area. And for who it does matters....I am German....not Floridan

[G-Pete]

Paste and copy ---- really?