Cobra replica alum body by Alloycars on ebay

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by Alloycars

Its live...on cameras. How retarded I must be to ignore a fact like that?

For what it's worth, the word or term "retarded" is considered insensitive today in America, because we have folks who are born or become both physically and mentally challenged. So most people avoid the term, similar to, but not the same, as racial insensitivity.

However, you can continue to use that term, but you may find a parent of a developmentally-challenged child, social worker or special education teacher who might get very upset with you.

[Buzz]

I really don't care who originated the plan to build the spyders or who owns the rights to the finished product. Its established that Alloycars build the bodies and chassis to a high degree of accuracy and craftsmanship. If that same aptitude is directed at building aluminium Cobra bodies, that's good news to me.

[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by Buzz

I really don't care who originated the plan to build the spyders or who owns the rights to the finished product. Its established that Alloycars build the bodies and chassis to a high degree of accuracy and craftsmanship. If that same aptitude is directed at building aluminum Cobra bodies, that's good news to me.

it would indeed be good news to everyone if that is the case. However, when the owner and principal pull the stunts he has here, I'm not certain putting out an aluminum Cobra body for even as little as 20K is enough to overcome the extreme negativity and levels of deception they have shown they are capable of with their time here on club cobra, a place with enough people of means to make or break their proposed expansion into the cobra market. No, in this case, I see them in the same light as George Levin CMC/Streetbeast/Auto Resolutions infamy, oh, wait, weren't they in Fort Lauderdale as well

Bill S.

[Bernica]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

For what it's worth, the word or term "retarded" is considered insensitive today in America, because we have folks who are born or become both physically and mentally challenged. So most people avoid the term, similar to, but not the same, as racial insensitivity.

However, you can continue to use that term, but you may find a parent of a developmentally-challenged child, social worker or special education teacher who might get very upset with you.

Yeah, I'm one of those parents with a daughter with epilepsy. I have really, really, really tried to be civil here and will continue to do so. Very sad to see someone going to the level of school kids.

[Al G]

Originally Posted by Alloycars

Always the same guys..guess why....ATTENTION: This is written by a "keyboard slinger" described as before"

If you bothered to read what he wrote I think you'd see he was giving you the benefit of the doubt.

[AL427SBF]

Originally Posted by Buzz

I did some searching about and there is a lot of positive being said about Ingo Poth and the Porsche replicas. Somehow I don't think that will make any difference to some of you - you've decided it's war and now validation of your position is all that matters. ...

Afraid so, and the longer the war rages on, the more cheap shots and low blows you will see.
.

[JoeT]

I'm honestly confused and am trying really hard to follow the actual car.

I get there is a "project" going on where Alloycars is using a FFR MK3 chassis and are moving to a MK4 for other FFR rebody projects.

is the plan moving forward to use the FFR MK4 chassis for all cars built? or is there something else going under the body?

also

What is the estimated yearly production numbers that the facility is capable to turning in a year? and what would the lead time be for a finished car?

[CobraV8]

Originally Posted by mrmustang

Actually, I did, it appears he was commissioned by Ben and Rob Edwards , for a body and chassis only

This is some phantastic work.The body looks spot on and the CAD screenshot is proof that it was actually reverse engineered from a scanned original car:



However the aluminum Cobra bodies shown earlier clearly differ from the shape of the Original.

This is just my observation - I'm not interested in joining the general argument...

[Alloycars]

The future of aluminum conversion for you:
Well, we built one complete car based on a MKIII so far. We have also two bodies close to be finished for the same chassis. Last year I had the opportunity to buy a MKIII kit and I thought this can be a nice way to go. We had scans from an original 427 but when I have seen how many FFR cars are on the planet I looked already forward to go for a kit like aluminum body conversion.
Now, as I can see in this forum is that the MKIII has a "perky butt", whatever this is. But good news is that there is a MKIV and I will update our molds to it. I will have some MKIV based cars and kits ready in around two month. They are already sold and in the meantime I will going to perfect this project.
The bad news for you guys is that I may pulling the plug for the conversion kits as there are forum members who are trying to keep their face and position after they misleaded other club members and now everybody knows that we are real..and this already for a long time.
I had a bad start, some were my fault but most negative threads came from members who really dont like that we are going forward with this idea. Threads like "They are using a MKII from Kirkham" or "Hey, I have seen this car at Pebble Beach" or "I never heard from 150 or 14 bodies".....really?

We have over 20,000sqf of production facility in one building only. I have a second one where we are doing paint jobs, assembly and upholstery. Some areas can be visited over our live cameras.

If I go for the kit conversion is fully up what I will see here in this forum.
I like that a member has his own ideas how those conversion can be perfected so here is my offer.

We open a new thread like "Alloycars aluminum bodied FORUM project" and we start over with objective club members. Idea is using a MKIV as explained and using opinions to finish this project as there is not only the outer shell. There are inner panles, door panles hood frames and so on which has to be configurated the right way. We can do this together and this is the only way I willing to do this.
Your opinions, votings and I am offering to build it how YOU want. Is this a word?.

[mikeinatlanta]

If you want to sell and alloy body for the ffr chassis there are some issues you will need to contend with. First and most important is the perky butt. If you want to know exactly what that is, all you have to do is ask.

Your next big issues is going to be deciding which FFR chassis you want to adapt to. The MKI, II & III, and IV are very different. Your also going to need to figure out how to market a body shape that is far from original in a market that demands a very correct shape in the upper range products.

It's a good thing that you have plenty of money and don't care about sales. I simply don't see how you will manage to get guys like me to hand over their $$ to you. By like me, I mean guys with the means and willingness to make the conversion, but who would never do business with such and asshole like yourself. Your target customer will need to be someone who knows little about the market as a whole. Anyone doing a rebody will already know about you and steer clear. Having spent a good portion of the last eight years doing business around the world to include Germany. I can assure everyone that your behavior has nothing to do with a language barrier or German culture.

Good luck with whatever path you take.

[Alloycars]

The future of aluminum conversion for you:
Well, we built one complete car based on a MKIII so far. We have also two bodies close to be finished for the same chassis. Last year I had the opportunity to buy a MKIII kit and I thought this can be a nice way to go. We had scans from an original 427 but when I have seen how many FFR cars are on the planet I looked already forward to go for a kit like aluminum body conversion.
Now, as I can see in this forum is that the MKIII has a "perky butt", whatever this is. But good news is that there is a MKIV and I will update our molds to it. I will have some MKIV based cars and kits ready in around two month. They are already sold and in the meantime I will going to perfect this project.
The bad news for you guys is that I may pulling the plug for the conversion kits as there are forum members who are trying to keep their face and position after they misleaded other club members and now everybody knows that we are real..and this already for a long time.
I had a bad start, some were my fault but most negative threads came from members who really dont like that we are going forward with this idea. Threads like "They are using a MKII from Kirkham" or "Hey, I have seen this car at Pebble Beach" or "I never heard from 150 or 14 bodies".....really?

We have over 20,000sqf of production facility in one building only. I have a second one where we are doing paint jobs, assembly and upholstery. Some areas can be visited over our live cameras.

If I go for the kit conversion is fully up what I will see here in this forum.
I like that a member has his own ideas how those conversion can be perfected so here is my offer.

We open a new thread like "Alloycars aluminum bodied FORUM project" and we start over with objective club members. Idea is using a MKIV as explained and using opinions to finish this project as there is not only the outer shell. There are inner panles, door panles hood frames and so on which has to be configurated the right way. We can do this together and this is the only way I willing to do this.
Your opinions, votings and I am offering to build it how YOU want. Is this a word?.

[Alloycars]

Originally Posted by mikeinatlanta

If you want to sell and alloy body for the ffr chassis there are some issues you will need to contend with. First and most important is the perky butt. If you want to know exactly what that is, all you have to do is ask.

Your next big issues is going to be deciding which FFR chassis you want to adapt to. The MKI, II & III, and IV are very different. Your also going to need to figure out how to market a body shape that is far from original in a market that demands a very correct shape in the upper range products.

It's a good thing that you have plenty of money and don't care about sales. I simply don't see how you will manage to get guys like me to hand over their $$ to you. By like me, I mean guys with the means and willingness to make the conversion, but who would never do business with such and asshole like yourself. Your target customer will need to be someone who knows little about the market as a whole. Anyone doing a rebody will already know about you and steer clear. Having spent a good portion of the last eight years doing business around the world to include Germany. I can assure everyone that your behavior has nothing to do with a language barrier or German culture.

Good luck with whatever path you take.

Look, if you dont like me and telling me that I am an asshole I dont care as I will not marry you anyway so please be objective and stop talking for everybody.
Wishing good look to an asshole? Guys like you are already discovered here as already mentioned "keyboard slinger" .
How your small mind came up that you pay in advance anyway for something or if I will even sell it? I called for a project...but your small mind didnt get it.

[Alloycars]

The future of aluminum conversion built by members (idea):
Well, we built one complete car based on a MKIII so far. We have also two bodies close to be finished for the same chassis. Last year I had the opportunity to buy a MKIII kit and I thought this can be a nice way to go. We had scans from an original 427 but when I have seen how many FFR cars are on the planet I looked already forward to go for a kit like aluminum body conversion.
Now, as I can see in this forum is that the MKIII has a "perky butt", whatever this is. But good news is that there is a MKIV and I will update our molds to it. I will have some MKIV based cars and kits ready in around two month. They are already sold and in the meantime I will going to perfect this project.
The bad news for you guys is that I may pulling the plug for the conversion kits as there are forum members who are trying to keep their face and position after they misleaded other club members and now everybody knows that we are real..and this already for a long time.
I had a bad start, some were my fault but most negative threads came from members who really dont like that we are going forward with this idea. Threads like "They are using a MKII from Kirkham" or "Hey, I have seen this car at Pebble Beach" or "I never heard from 150 or 14 bodies".....really?

We have over 20,000sqf of production facility in one building only. I have a second one where we are doing paint jobs, assembly and upholstery. Some areas can be visited over our live cameras.

If I go for the kit conversion is fully up what I will see here in this forum.
I like that a member has his own ideas how those conversion can be perfected so here is my offer.

We open a new thread like "Alloycars aluminum bodied FORUM project" and we start over with objective club members. Idea is using a MKIV as explained and using opinions to finish this project as there is not only the outer shell. There are inner panles, door panles hood frames and so on which has to be configurated the right way. We can do this together and this is the only way I willing to do this.
Your opinions, votings and I am offering to build it how YOU want. Is this a word?.

[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by Alloycars

But good news is that there is a MKIV and I will update our molds to it.

Molds, we thought you were hand forming everything.

Originally Posted by Alloycars

I will have some MKIV based cars and kits ready in around two month.

This is a good thing as we want to see something that is 100% your own project, and not something you bought and customized, then called your own.

However, you'll need to alter the body and subframing for each of the following FFR frames

MKI
Mk 1.5
MK II
Mk 2.5
Mk 3
MK 3.5

and finally the newest MK IV chassis as they are all different in one way shape or form.

Originally Posted by Alloycars

The bad news for you guys is that I may pulling the plug for the conversion kits as there are forum members who are trying to keep their face and position after they misleaded other club members

Well, and here I thought you were getting somewhere, but you want to place blame for alienating your biggest target audience on someone other than yourself. Now say you are pulling the plug for that reason. SIGH.......

Originally Posted by Alloycars

Threads like "They are using a MKII from Kirkham" or "Hey, I have seen this car at Pebble Beach" or "I never heard from 150 or 14 bodies".....really?

Well, you were using the Kirkham picture (mirrored) as your own, and on your web site. Same goes for the Bluemoon built MK II with the Kirkham body on it as your own.

An inquiry to Brazil's largest specialty car dealer turned up nothing in the way of your "150 cobra bodies", the "14 cobra bodies" are right from your posts as well, so the only one to blame is yourself.

Originally Posted by Alloycars

We have over 20,000sqf of production facility in one building only. I have a second one where we are doing paint jobs, assembly and upholstery.

What is the address for the "other building" so when our members finally get around to coming in to see your production facility they can view both buildings and report back.

Originally Posted by Alloycars

We open a new thread like "Alloycars aluminum bodied FORUM project" and we start over with objective club members. Idea is using a MKIV as explained and using opinions to finish this project as there is not only the outer shell. There are inner panles, door panles hood frames and so on which has to be configurated the right way. We can do this together and this is the only way I willing to do this.Your opinions, votings and I am offering to build it how YOU want. Is this a word?.

The problem is, you did not like any of the opinions as posted in this thread, ok, maybe two out of 300+ posts. The next problem is that no matter how you behave and interact with others from this point forward, your past will be right here to haunt you. You had a chance early on to come clean, and instead you let your pride and ego get in the way, and continued on with not only your attacks/threats, but your denial of wrong doing, and your game playing, hoping that you could "pull then wool" (so to speak) over everyone elses eyes. Sadly in your case, you underestimated the tenacity of your target audience for not putting up with such things.

Regardless, here is wishing you well.



Bill S.

PS: Cutting and pasting the same post over and over will not make it right, and only males you look foolish.

[AL427SBF]

Originally Posted by Alloycars

... We open a new thread like "Alloycars aluminum bodied FORUM project" and we start over with objective club members. Idea is using a MKIV as explained and using opinions to finish this project as there is not only the outer shell. There are inner panles, door panles hood frames and so on which has to be configurated the right way. We can do this together ...

Done Alloycars Aluminum Bodied FORUM Project

Those that wish to continue to wallow in the mud can stay here.
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[ram_g]

I believe this is my very first post on Club Cobra. Long time lurker, somewhat more active on the FFR forums.

I just wanted to pipe up to say that like mikeinatlanta, I too have the means and the interest in re-bodying my FFR to an aluminum skin. As a personal aside, my dad worked all his life for one of the worlds largest aluminum producers, so it would have sentimental value for the old man while he is still around.

BUT, it is HIGHLY UNLIKELY that I will buy an aluminum body from Alloy Cars any time soon, and that is ENTIRELY because of this thread and the various posts from that company personnel.

So yes, unfortunately these posts have indeed turned away potential customers.

Nevertheless, good luck with the project.

[Al G]

If this project is in such an early stage why is it being offered for sale on eBay? Would you actually accept an order today and meet the delivery times shown in the advertisement?

[Al G]

Duplicate post.

[REAL 1]

Would not all this nonsense have been avoided if they had:

1. Not used photos of other Manufacturers finished products in their ad and apologized for doing so and removed the photos.
2. Had the ad clearly indicated they use FFR kits and replace the fiberglass body with a hand formed aluminum body.
3. Customer is responsible for purchasing and shipping their kit to Alloy Cars and responsible for pick up and delivery to the customer.
4. Posted pics of a finished car and photos of the build in stages with an estimated time of delivery.

[Bernica]

I guess after reading 24 pages of this thread, my question would be that if I was wandering around with $100k or so in my pocket, would I take it there?
The answer would be no. Without a customer base, reputation and a following, then it seems to me that it is just a very expensive hobby that will end up with Ebay as the dump site over and over.