selling a Cobra with a Chevy.

[1985 CCX]

Tom
You misread my type #1, you made it negative.
You are also right about a replica; its a kit and that is it, but they can create profitable creations.

This will never settle the debate as you had what you had. But you never experienced the gas station chatter, ice cream stand or car show question.
"Is that a real 427?" They don't mean from GM.

It is what it is. Now you can relish in the memory of your old CCX car.
The one that got away ......... Tony would love this thread.


For the record this car was never on the road.

[AL427SBF]

Originally Posted by rodneym

AL427SBF,
No need to complicate it. And we're not talking investments.
It was whether or not a Chevy plant hurts the value of a Cobra compared to a Ford.
In your example, Thor could have made out like a bandit but that doesn't say anything. Thor's sale only gives us one point of reference. That's why I mentioned mrmustang. I'm sure he's got numbers but he's probably observing from a distance, smiling like the Cheshire cat

Actually it's a simplification, whatever power you have is already priced into it, that's the point. mrmustang can post selling numbers all day long, without knowing what the owner paid for it - the data tells half the story ...

... unless you just want to play the my replica is more expensive than your replica game (while you own it). We can do that with houses too I see hi-tech and quality components (just like Thor) as the real player in a replica's market value.
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[1985 CCX]

AL427SBF

Keep in kind Tom and I have known each other since high school. 80's
Long history.

The point is there are many ways to create a Cobra. I am just a purist and for my budget I do what I can.
A great friend of mine has an awesome cobra that is more hot rod than Cobra. Just a different flavor.

This all started when I suggested best bang for buck would be selling the CCX and the bowtie separate as it may bring of net more $. I admittedly stated I don't know what a GM 427 with Muncie is worth. It has sat since late 80's. glad he made more than anyone expected. Me for sure. Figured the CCX could stand as a great base on its own legs.

Not sure about simple difference of cash in cash out.
But ok, I concede....

Btw the car in question.

[1985 CCX]

And the CCX

[Dimis]

I kind of feel you are all complicating it...

100% of people I surveyed (me, myself and I) just have an unreasonable and unsubstantiated aversion to Chevys...

But I guess with a name like Thor, it's no wonder he prefers an anvil for an engine.
He needs something to hit with his hammer


Happy new year

[AL427SBF]

Originally Posted by 1985 CCX

AL427SBF

Keep in kind Tom and I have known each other since high school. 80's
Long history.

The point is there are many ways to create a Cobra. I am just a purist and for my budget I do what I can.
A great friend of mine has an awesome cobra that is more hot rod than Cobra. Just a different flavor.

This all started when I suggested best bang for buck would be selling the CCX and the bowtie separate as it may bring of net more $. I admittedly stated I don't know what a GM 427 with Muncie is worth. It has sat since late 80's. glad he made more than anyone expected. Me for sure. Figured the CCX could stand as a great base on its own legs.

Not sure about simple difference of cash in cash out.
But ok, I concede....

Btw the car in question.

Not apposed to your view of the cobra world at all, and being life long friends with Thor sharing this hobby, it's all good! The point I'm making is that the statement a Chevy plant hurts the value of a Cobra compared to a Ford is flawed from inception. As you say, there are different flavors of these beasts - and I'm sure we agree that they are worth what the market will bear, both going in and getting out. Because of that, I say there is no financial argument that can be made regarding buying a replica with a ford power plant in it vs. a chevy.
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[patrickt]

Originally Posted by AL427SBF

Not apposed to your view of the cobra world at all, and being life long friends with Thor sharing this hobby, it's all good! The point I'm making is that the statement a Chevy plant hurts the value of a Cobra compared to a Ford is flawed from inception. As you say, there are different flavors of these beasts - and I'm sure we agree that they are worth what the market will bear, both going in and getting out. Because of that, I say there is no financial argument that can be made regarding buying a replica with a ford power plant in it vs. a chevy.
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I agree. In fact, I see no difference at all between a small block Ford in a 427 style car and a Chevy Rat motor in a 427 style car.

[AL427SBF]

Originally Posted by Dimis

I kind of feel you are all complicating it...

100% of people I surveyed (me, myself and I) just have an unreasonable and unsubstantiated aversion to Chevys...

But I guess with a name like Thor, it's no wonder he prefers an anvil for an engine.
He needs something to hit with his hammer


Happy new year

By his own admission Thor likes being the heretic, I'm good with that
Happy New Year all.
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[AL427SBF]

Originally Posted by patrickt

I agree. In fact, I see no difference at all between a small block Ford in a 427 style car and a Chevy Rat motor in a 427 style car.

Coup de grâce, a blown rat motor in a rat cobra, now we're getting somewhere ...
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[patrickt]

Originally Posted by AL427SBF

Coup de grâce, a blown rat motor in a rat cobra, now we're getting somewhere ...
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... and what's more, I would rather have a Chevy Rat motor in my Cobra over a small block Ford. At least that way I could say I had a big block.

[AL427SBF]

Originally Posted by patrickt

... and what's more, I would rather have a Chevy Rat motor in my Cobra over a small block Ford. At least that way I could say I had a big block.

Which one of your little buddies told you to say that
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[Cashburn]

Originally Posted by patrickt

... and what's more, I would rather have a Chevy Rat motor in my Cobra over a small block Ford. At least that way I could say I had a big block.

A big block says what?

[Thor maine]

So what is the feeling on a small block stroked to 427 cubes? (Ford or Chevy or Mopar)

[Dimis]

Originally Posted by Thor maine

So what is the feeling on a small block stroked to 427 cubes? (Ford or Chevy or Mopar)

Fuse lit... Take cover!

Actually here's one of my all time favourite builds.

http://youtu.be/Rhg0xMzaO1c

Well, while its not a Ford, it's sahweeeeet as, and at least the numbers are right at 427cubes!

First LS7 in a cobra to my knowledge.

[Hotfingrs]

My small block is 450 inches an makes a ton of power.

[REAL 1]

Thor: We still never got the info from you as to your selling price. What was you total cost in?

You say there are a lot of hot rod guys out there who are interested in a Bowtie Cobra replica? What data and information are you referring to?

Just because you post some add in local rag and had some local "hot rodders" show up with interest doesn't prove anything. Seems more like you got lucky.

CCX I think has analyzed it correctly.

The buyers that showed up for your car certainly didn't care much about aesthetic accuracy in the build and if they did then they are clueless regarding Cobras.

Seems like they were just looking for hot rod and likely would have been just as happy with an Austin Healy body with a bowtie for power.

Why are Chevy 427s much less expensive then FE427s? I would suggest to you its based on supply and demand. The demand for an FE for Cobra replica far exceeds that of bowtie motors with a shallower pool of supply.

Yes, you can analyze it as cost in and price obtained out with regard to the "torpedo" of value issue but it goes beyond that. The pool of buyers that will be interested in a nice Cobra replica with a correct FOMOC modder will far overshadow the one with those looking for one with a bowtie under the bonnet.

Regardless of whether you are running an LS7 with magnetic suspension under a Cobra shell from Contemporary, ERA etc.. or using all the correct pieces and parts from an aesthetic standpoint both are "replicas" of a Cobra. One will have the larger pool of interest on resale and higher value and the other the lower value and smaller pool of interest.

[AL427SBF]

Originally Posted by Thor maine

So what is the feeling on a small block stroked to 427 cubes? (Ford or Chevy or Mopar)

Start with the exterior shape, it's called a 427 body. If you have the correct fender emblems they say 427 Ford Cobra. From there it becomes simple -

... If you have a Ford in it and it's a 427 CID motor then you can check that box.
... If it's a non-Ford 427, sand the "Ford" flat on the emblem and you will be ok, letters are slightly raised and unpainted so no one will notice.
... If you have a BB with more than 427 CID, any make motor, then you are SOL as it is the wrong size motor for the body.

When patrickt heads out for a cruise in his 440 BB, all his little buddies know he is behind the wheel of a rolling lie
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[patrickt]

Originally Posted by AL427SBF

When patrickt heads out for a cruise in his 440 BB, all his little buddies know he is behind the wheel of a rolling lie
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Lies are just a darker shade of truth.... And it's a 447.

[rodneym]

Evan,
Don't bother asking for actual $$$ amounts.
Even people who should be good with numbers can't handle the simple math.

[REAL 1]

Without the sell and cost in info his sale has proved nothing to anyone.

What's he afraid of?