selling a Cobra with a Chevy.

[Thor maine]

Back in the late 80's -early 90's I could not register the car, but today Maine has regulation for "Specialty Constructed Vehicles" so title and registration will be no problem. Real1 if you are a Chevy guy , then without a doubt a Chevy is a better choice in your kit car-replica HotRod that is shaped like a Cobra end of argument Boom Done. "Field Vehicle" ? How about "Race track only"

[Karl Bebout]

Why is it anyone's business exactly how much Thor sold his car for and/or how much he netted? Yes, he did say he got more than he'd originally asked. Good for him! It just takes two people wanting the same thing to drive any price up. This coming week at the various AZ auctions is dead on proof of that.

Its been bounced around so much, in this thread, and many others, about the far superior quality of the 427 Ford compared to the 427 BBC that a nagging question keep popping into my head: If the BBF 427 was so superior, why didn't Ford make more of them? Why were they so expensive? Why didn't Ford "extrapolate" them on out to successful bigger engines like Chevy did (454, 502, 572 and such)? I never hear anyone get excited about the 460. ??

[Dimis]

Originally Posted by Karl Bebout

If the BBF 427 was so superior, why didn't Ford make more of them? Simple... Evolution...


Why were they so expensive? Simple... They're desirable...


Why didn't Ford "extrapolate" them on out to successful bigger engines like Chevy did (454, 502, 572 and such)? I never hear anyone get excited about the 460. ??Not true... They do... One word... Kasse.

My humble responses above... ^

Enjoy

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by AL427SBF

Thor came clean on the question, now there's you at the other end of the spectrum. You say to build your car today it would cost $260K. Ok, what did it cost you to build yours (at the time) and what year was that?
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No, he didn't come clean. What was his selling price? Still waiting.

Cost of an alloy Continuation rolliing chassis in 2000/2001 was around $72k as I recall. Cost of fit up back then $25K to $30k roughly using a 427SO or Shelby aluminum 427.

Cost today is $180K for rolling chassis as I understand. Cost of final fit up depending on engine $40K to $60K estimated today with SO or aluminum 427 and "options" (less options back then since things were included). You can do for less with a 428 or 390FE though.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by Thor maine

Back in the late 80's -early 90's I could not register the car, but today Maine has regulation for "Specialty Constructed Vehicles" so title and registration will be no problem. Real1 if you are a Chevy guy , then without a doubt a Chevy is a better choice in your kit car-replica HotRod that is shaped like a Cobra end of argument Boom Done. "Field Vehicle" ? How about "Race track only"

Ok. You got me at "Race track only" I respect that. When you finish your next Cobra shaped hot rod with a Chebbie and if its going to be a track car let me know if an when you ever get down to Watkins Glen. I instruct for HOD and am having a Boss 302S spec race car built by Rehagen Racing for the spring. Would love to meet you at the track and have some fun.

Regards.

[Karl Bebout]

Hello Dimis,
Originally Posted by Karl Bebout
If the BBF 427 was so superior, why didn't Ford make more of them? Simple... Evolution... Evolved to what? and when? Been a lot of decades between the 427 and the new modular monsters.


Why were they so expensive? Simple... They're desirable... Ford must have wanted them to be so desirable very few people could afford them. There had to have been what 30, 50, 100 to one, fast BBC to every fast 427 BBF. True to this day in ProStock


Why didn't Ford "extrapolate" them on out to successful bigger engines like Chevy did (454, 502, 572 and such)? I never hear anyone get excited about the 460. ??Not true... They do... One word... Kasse. Kasse, Ford, Ford, Kasse. John has been a wizzard with Ford engines since the early 70s, but I don't remember that he was ever enployed by them. Ran their engine development? Hopefully they learned lots of things from him, and used them. I was always glad that John ran a 4spd in his black Mustang fastback. Otherwise, we would have been in the same class and I would never have won a race. He got that thing into the 10.80s, with a TWO BARREL CARB! A full second faster than I was running with my 427 '69 Nova, A/T, also with a two barrel. He put dents in his hood, from the shock towers, from landing so hard from his wheeel stands. The Mustang was a "428" and the only fast 428 I ever saw, back in the early 70s, in Northern Ohio. Never understood why he would never run at the National events, where he would have annihilatedthe records for both ET and Speed for both the old IHRA and AHRA. Would have been some serious bragging rights and some good sponsorships. Wonder if the ensuing tech teardowns might have deterred him? None the less. Kasse absolutely knows how to make a ton of power! What does his name have to do with the question? Your arguments don't hold water, for me. Maybe others...

[blykins]

The big blocks evolved from the FE series to the 385 series....just like the 348/409 Chevys evolved to the 396/427/454....the Gen IV big blocks evolved into Gen V and VI big blocks (which were totally different blocks than the earlier ones).

Go through the list of all the 24 hours of Lemans races from 63-70. Tell me how many Chevys you see in the list.....and then tell me how many Fords WON it...

His comment about Kaase was based on your comment about how no one "gets excited" about the 460 engine. As far as I'm concerned one of the highest desired cars out there (Boss 429 Mustang) was based on the 385 series engine.

Plus, this whole side-shoot has nothing to do with the fact that the Cobra WAS NEVER offered with a Chevy engine...

Like the others, I will never be convinced that a BBC Cobra would sell as high as a Cobra with a Ford engine....maybe to someone who is uneducated about Cobras and just thinks of them as a neat kit car, like a Fiero turned into a Lamborghini, or a VW Beetle turned into a Porsche 356. To someone who wants a replica and is savvy about Cobras, the Chevy engine just wouldn't hold water.

[Thor maine]

Real1 24

[CHANMADD]

Well ,mines a 406 small block Chevy with an abundance of power and revs........what a screamer.. 😁

[Thor maine]

I guess I have to ask "Lemans 63-70" ok ask "stock car/NASCAR/Winston Cup- NHRA- CAN AM 1963 til NOW ???GM has more wins than Ford - Mopar and all others combined.

[Dimis]

Originally Posted by Thor maine

I guess I have to ask "Lemans 63-70" ok ask "stock car/NASCAR/Winston Cup- NHRA- CAN AM 1963 til NOW ???GM has more wins than Ford - Mopar and all others combined.

Just curious. Has GM won across multiple racing platforms on a global scale.
Say Like say LeMans (as mentioned), F1, F3, WRC, etc...

Don't get me wrong I don't mind Chevys.
But respect where it's due.
Fords pretty much raced and won in most forms of racing.

[Dimis]

Originally Posted by Karl Bebout

Hello Dimis,
Originally Posted by Karl Bebout
If the BBF 427 was so superior, why didn't Ford make more of them? Simple... Evolution... Evolved to what? and when? Been a lot of decades between the 427 and the new modular monsters.


Why were they so expensive? Simple... They're desirable... Ford must have wanted them to be so desirable very few people could afford them. There had to have been what 30, 50, 100 to one, fast BBC to every fast 427 BBF. True to this day in ProStock


Why didn't Ford "extrapolate" them on out to successful bigger engines like Chevy did (454, 502, 572 and such)? I never hear anyone get excited about the 460. ??Not true... They do... One word... Kasse. Kasse, Ford, Ford, Kasse. John has been a wizzard with Ford engines since the early 70s, but I don't remember that he was ever enployed by them. Ran their engine development? Hopefully they learned lots of things from him, and used them. I was always glad that John ran a 4spd in his black Mustang fastback. Otherwise, we would have been in the same class and I would never have won a race. He got that thing into the 10.80s, with a TWO BARREL CARB! A full second faster than I was running with my 427 '69 Nova, A/T, also with a two barrel. He put dents in his hood, from the shock towers, from landing so hard from his wheeel stands. The Mustang was a "428" and the only fast 428 I ever saw, back in the early 70s, in Northern Ohio. Never understood why he would never run at the National events, where he would have annihilatedthe records for both ET and Speed for both the old IHRA and AHRA. Would have been some serious bragging rights and some good sponsorships. Wonder if the ensuing tech teardowns might have deterred him? None the less. Kasse absolutely knows how to make a ton of power! What does his name have to do with the question? Your arguments don't hold water, for me. Maybe others...

Dear sir, Evidently the 460 FORD I referenced gave you a woody.
Tell me now the Cammer doesn't either?

Ps: Who Kasse was employed by or worked for is irrelevant.
You asked about a FORD engine - I gave an example and you go and get all... Sheesh... Never mind... Big block Chevys are the greatest every engine built...

There you go... Your thoughts have been vindicated.

Enjoy your day!

[mdross1]

Now that everyone has aired their laundry what did we gain from this drawn out thread. All the same people still feel the same about what their Cobra's mean to them. Thor sold his Bowtie powered Cobra, it will be interesting to see who jumps into the fray next.

There is a lot of winter left thankfully my projects will carry me through. Till then have the spare time to hang out on the forums which by the way the members are not much different than the members here other than what gets raked over the coals.

Heading to Tech and converse with those looking for the same things.

[REAL 1]

Still waiting for his selling price. Still waiting.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by Thor maine

Real1 24

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Still waiting for his selling price. Still waiting.

I believe Thor posted just above. But I can't be certain "24" is the answer. I'm assuming so.

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

I believe Thor posted just above. But I can't be certain "24" is the answer. I'm assuming so.

It's not as simple as that. He traded the car for an exotic derivative with a knock out option. So, it's very hard for him to give a specific dollar figure.

[1985 CCX]

It's not 24...........

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by 1985 CCX

It's not 24...........

See? I told you it was hard to give a specific figure. The derivatives game is very complicated.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by patrickt

See? I told you it was hard to give a specific figure. The derivatives game is very complicated.

Seriously, I personally wouldn't care what the final selling price is/was, but not for Thor making the following "point" or conclusion without any support:

Originally Posted by Thor maine

My point was with the selling price of my car is that there is a very large number of Cobra enthusiast who are HotRod guy's and Love and may only want to purchase or build a Cobra replica with a Chevy in it and they should not have concerns that that choice will destroy the resale potential of their HotRod that is shaped like a Cobra.

[REAL 1]

I wasn't sure what the "24" meant. Yet another mystery.

Man these Chebbie guys are different. Lol.