Anybody lining up for the new Shelby Cobra?

[Jaydee]

Something is only worth money if it's rare, someone wants it bad enough thinking it will go up in value, and knows it can't be found again. like a rare stamp or painting. The material is worth bugger all. Now with all these continuation Cobras etc, all trying to make them sound rare, 50th anniversary badges etc, so as to keep the value up. It doesn't make it a better car.
I can't wait to get mine finished and tell people I built it, not that it's worth a million dollars, rare as hell, and to scared to drive it. People will just think of you the same as a Ferrari owner, a rich snob.
JD

[Dimis]

Originally Posted by Nedsel

You do? Great. Please explain it, because I have often wondered about it. AC Cars builds a car minus engine/transmission, and sends it to CA, where they add the aforesaid equipment. Or, AC Cars builds a complete car on one assembly line. Apart from the badges, what's the difference in the cars? Or does anyone think Shelby himself actually did any work on the cars shipped to him?

Welll I have my theory... But I fear you'll all ban my ar$e for stating it!

So I'll put it this way and if you can read between the lines great.
If not, I'm a PM away.

For the same reason US college tuition fees outstrip those of other global universities for equivalent degrees.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Nope, no Kapesh. The "purity" argument is nonsense to me, because you don't own a 1960's original CSX2000 or 3000. The rest are replicas of the original. And the "purist" who tries to replicate the original with his or her Kirkham, Shelby, ERA, etc. is just exercising their brain cells to stave off dementia.

IMO, there is no reason not to use better suspension, brakes, Tremecs, engines, hose clamps, gauges, wiring, one trunk battery, etc., but admittedly, there are "purists" out there, but to me, that's the "greater fool theory."

Purity? On a CSX4000? Stop, you're killing me.

Yes, we all know your view on the "replica" issue. Your view conflicts with SAACs and the SAAC World Registry of Cobras &GT40s which is the authoritative position that I and many agree with.

Aside from Whether it's a Cobra or a replica of one...

When you want to recreate something "as it was" physically the closer you stay to original specification the "purer" it is to being pure from a duplication standpoint and will behave and have the charter of what it is supposed to be duplicating.

There are some ingredients you can improve like materials without affecting aesthetics or dimensions. Some do improve performance. Some take you farther away from being exact to original spec than others. How far away from center do you want to be?

[stephen_becker]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

"Improving the breed" and "raising cold hard cash using the CS name" are not mutually exclusive. With all due respect, I'm not sure your opinion is unbiased here.

But then, neither is mine.

At this point in time its all about the Benjamins!

[REAL 1]

SAI's main focus is not Cobras but Mustangs at this point with parts and post title mods I believe.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by stephen_becker

At this point in time its all about the Benjamins!

It always was even back in the 60s. But in all fairness it is no different for any for profit entity.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Your view conflicts with SAACs and the SAAC World Registry of Cobras &GT40s which is the authoritative position that I and many agree with.

Aside from Whether it's a Cobra or a replica of one...

When you want to recreate something "as it was" physically the closer you stay to original specification the "purer" it is to being pure from a duplication standpoint and will behave and have the charter of what it is supposed to be duplicating.

There are some ingredients you can improve like materials without affecting aesthetics or dimensions. Some do improve performance. Some take you farther away from being exact to original spec than others. How far away from center do you want to be?

My position doesn't conflict with SAAC. Whether they're called component, recreation, continuation, true replica, etc., that's fine with me. And we members all know that the Shelby continuations and Kirkhams were included to sell more memberships and books and also so they wouldn't morph into an original 1960's Cobra.

As for purity of original spec, that makes sense for a restoration of an original 1960's Cobra. Cobras built in the 2000's are replicas and "original spec" is superfluous. An exercise somewhat like a puzzle or Sudoko, to keep one's mind engaged and brain cells from dying off. Using the correct hose clamp, dual versus single batteries, Girling versus Wilwood brakes, etc. doesn't add or subtract from a replica's character or center, because the difference(s) are really just inside one's mind.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by stephen_becker

At this point in time its all about the Benjamins!

Unless your company is a non-profit, US tax law states that a for-profit corporation must a profit within a specified time frame. Shelby just came to the realization that the Kirkhams made a better Cobra, that they feel will make them more money, so they decided to buy Kirkham rollers and rebadge them.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

My position doesn't conflict with SAAC. Whether they're called component, recreation, continuation, true replica, etc., that's fine with me. And we members all know that the Shelby continuations and Kirkhams were included to sell more memberships and books and also so they wouldn't morph into an original 1960's Cobra.

As for purity of original spec, that makes sense for a restoration of an original 1960's Cobra. Cobras built in the 2000's are replicas and "original spec" is superfluous. An exercise somewhat like a puzzle or Sudoko, to keep one's mind engaged and brain cells from dying off. Using the correct hose clamp, dual versus single batteries, Girling versus Wilwood brakes, etc. doesn't add or subtract from a replica's character or center, because the difference(s) are really just inside one's mind.

Oh, good news then. Your position doesn't conflict with SAAC's? Then you agree SAAC is correct putting aside their motive.

Whew!

That was easy.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Oh, good news then. Your position doesn't conflict with SAAC's? Then you agree SAAC is correct putting aside their motive.

Whew!

That was easy.

That's certainly AN interpretation of what I wrote, but I'd suggest that you "re-center" your Cobra, keep making it more "pure" because dementia seems to be seeping in for you.

[REAL 1]

So if that is AN interpretation of what you said then drop the other shoe and tell us what the correct interpretation of what you said is. Why rely on people with dementia to interpret what you said?

As far as my Cobra is concerned it is as pure as it can get short of being an original Yep. Pretty sure about that.

[4pipes]

You two love bugs should probably get a private room!

[AL427SBF]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

... As far as my Cobra is concerned it is as pure as it can get short of being an original Yep. Pretty sure about that.

Really, so you meet these specs?

block material Cast Iron
compression 11.5:1
power 305.7 kw / 409.9 bhp @ 5600 rpm
torque 626.39 nm / 462.0 ft lbs @ 2800 rpm
front tires 185x15 Goodyear Blue Dot
rear tires 195x15 Goodyear Blue Dot
front brakes Girling Discs
rear brakes Girling Discs
f suspension Unequal Wishbones w/Coil Spring over Dampers
r suspension Unequal Wishbones w/Coil Spring over Dampers
transmission 4-Speed Top-Loader Manual
gear ratios 2.20:1, 1.66:1, 1.31:1, 1.00:1
final drive 3.54:1
.

[jhv48]

Damn, now this thread will go another 130 responses!

[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

As far as my Cobra is concerned it is as pure as it can get short of being an original Yep. Pretty sure about that.

Scary as it may sound to some of you who know my history with "REAL 1", I agree 100% with the above statement.



Bill S.

[Bernica]

I guess I have to ask...
When was the last time anyone saw an early 4000 or a Kirkham for sale other than the typical auction houses, and even then on a very rare occasion?

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by AL427SBF

Really, so you meet these specs?

block material Cast Iron
compression 11.5:1
power 305.7 kw / 409.9 bhp @ 5600 rpm
torque 626.39 nm / 462.0 ft lbs @ 2800 rpm
front tires 185x15 Goodyear Blue Dot
rear tires 195x15 Goodyear Blue Dot
front brakes Girling Discs
rear brakes Girling Discs
f suspension Unequal Wishbones w/Coil Spring over Dampers
r suspension Unequal Wishbones w/Coil Spring over Dampers
transmission 4-Speed Top-Loader Manual
gear ratios 2.20:1, 1.66:1, 1.31:1, 1.00:1
final drive 3.54:1
.

Yup. Except running Bill Boards front and rear. Also original 427 NASCAR SO's put out around 475 hp. I'm at 502hp. Ops.

[Bernica]

But then Evan, if your are running the true NASCAR 427, are you also running the turkey pan and a center-pivot Holley carb?

[AL427SBF]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Yup. Except running Bill Boards front and rear. Also original 427 NASCAR SO's put out around 475 hp. I'm at 502hp. Ops.

"Trust but verify", please post a pic of those front 185x15 and rear 195x15 Bill Boards
.

[REAL 1]

Pics of my car were posted this past summer. Running dual quads.