Anybody lining up for the new Shelby Cobra?

[Buzz]

Are there any photos out there of completed AC-sourced CSX1000's; and what did/do they actually sell for?

[Buzz]

Originally Posted by greg schroeder

Is it correct to say.....?

Fiberglass = made by Superformance and entire car will be made there?

Alloy/aluminum = made by Kirkham and will be assembled at Shelby?

Which car would have the greatest collector and resale value?

Would there be an advantage for the fiberglass vs. alloy other than purchase price?

Greg, you can also add Alloy/aluminum = supplied by AC (CSX 1000 series)

I would imagine of all the modern day Shelby Cobras discussed in this thread these would be the most expensive/valuable.

Other than durability of the body and price (very "pedestrian" concerns ), the fibreglass Shelby Cobras hold no perceived advantage over the alloy cars.

[twobjshelbys]

Originally Posted by Buzz

Are there any photos out there of completed AC-sourced CSX1000's; and what did/do they actually sell for?

Search (in the blue menu bar) is your friend. There are lots of topics dedicated to the subject and many others buried in other topics.

Start with this one

CSX 1000s...

[Al G]

Originally Posted by greg schroeder

Is it correct to say.....?

Fiberglass = made by Superformance and entire car will be made there?

No, that is not correct. The fiberglass SAI and Superformance cars have nothing in common other the the Hi-Tech facility they are built in. They are different designs and have different body shapes. Some of the final assembly (wheels, badging, etc.) happens in Las Vegas.

[RodKnock]

You know it's very interesting. These topics are discussed over and over again. And then nearly everyone forgets. It's like Groundhog day around here.

The owner of a CSX1000 chimed in within the past few months and posted a boatload of photos and information. And then we forget.

Mr. Kirkham chimes in and we discuss what they supply to Shelby (body and chassis only). And then we forget.

And now we're about to discuss what has more collector value, and/or what the advantages are between a Shelby fiberglass car versus Shelby alloy car?

What we now need is NYG to post one of his inane/insane posts about how all Cobra replicas should be $30,000 based upon their lack of technology/everything. And if anyone has a Cobra replica other than a real Shelby Cobra replica, then they're all crap.

Oy vey.

[DanEC]

Originally Posted by Al G

No, that is not correct. The fiberglass SAI and Superformance cars have nothing in common other the the Hi-Tech facility they are built in. They are different designs and have different body shapes. Some of the final assembly (wheels, badging, etc.) happens in Las Vegas.

And frame and suspension and wiring and engine compartment layout and . . .

[Al G]

Originally Posted by DanEC

And frame and suspension and wiring and engine compartment layout and . . .

How about we start with the fact that the Shelby has a round tube frame and the Superformance has a rectangular tube frame?

[Buzz]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

You know it's very interesting. These topics are discussed over and over again. And then nearly everyone forgets. It's like Groundhog day around here.

The owner of a CSX1000 chimed in within the past few months and posted a boatload of photos and information. And then we forget.



Oy vey.

In the same amount of time and effort it took you to pontificate, you could have just typed "there was a recent thread with pics and info - look it up"

Oy crap

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by Buzz

In the same amount of time and effort it took you to pontificate, you could have just typed "there was a recent thread with pics and info - look it up"

Oy crap

And that's exactly what I did, but nevertheless, I'm appreciative of you pontificating about the allocation of my time.

[Buzz]

Yer welcome. Now how about pontificating me a rough timeframe - last year or so? Did a search on CSX1000 but only turned up old threads and more pics of unfinished bodies. If I ever did see that thread I must be losing it - can't for the life of me remember it.

[Buzz]

It's ok - found it!

[RodKnock]

Mullen2 is the person who owns the CSX1000, recently posted:

CSX 1000s...
https://www.facebook.com/TeamAC/photos_stream

CSX1001: Whats CSX1001 Value? (Your Opinion)

OK, one more time, just for me though...oy.

[Buzz]

Oy - thanks mate!

[NewYorkGuy]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

You know it's very interesting....

What we now need is NYG to post one of his inane/insane posts about how all Cobra replicas should be $30,000 based upon their lack of technology/everything. And if anyone has a Cobra replica other than a real Shelby Cobra replica, then they're all crap.

Oy vey.

Mr. Rodknock
I am flattered that u keep thinking about me all the time .

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however, I must correct u. I did not say all cobra replicas are crap, i think I typed all cobra replicas are hot rods with a cobra shape.

this posting is about the new shelby cobras, 50th anniversary limited model . from what I ve been able to understand, "the meat on the bone" , the body and the frame, comes from Kirkham factory in Poland.


cheers,
nyg

[mullen2]

Started a new topic with pics of 5 csx 1000 cars

[David Kirkham]

Originally Posted by Al G

Just once I'd like to see someone from SAI or Kirkham respond to this kind of comment and tell us exactly who does what with the aluminum Shelby cars. I don't believe it is as simple as some people claim.

That depends entirely upon the roller. Who did what to whom changed dramatically over the years.

The roller that is pictured currently on Shelby's website for the 50th Anniversary 427

Shelby American Inc. - 50th Anniversary 427 Cobra

was built almost entirely by Kirkham. We even made the Shelby badged hub caps, steering emblem, brake pedal arm, and clutch pedal arm. Other than the logo, all parts are essentially the same as what we make on our current rollers.

We have been working a long, long time with Shelby as of late. Joe Conway, the CEO of Shelby, has been great to work with and is deeply committed to improving Shelby quality and delivery. I wish Joe had taken over long ago. Joe has Keith Belair, CFO, running day to day right now. Keith is also deeply committed to improving quality and delivery. Bill DenBeste, Shelby dealer, is deeply committed to improving quality and delivery. Whenever we have offered them a choice of parts they always go for top-shelf items.

Originally Posted by 1ntCobra

This has been discussed in the past before several times.

Shelby buys the frame and aluminum body from Kirkham and then builds their car up from there in Vegas. Shelby uses original CSX3000 style suspension as opposed to the Kirkham billet suspension. Kirkham has said that Shelby also buys some miscellaneous parts from them too, but Shelby has their own set of suppliers for their aluminum cars. Shelby does not buy a Kirkham roller.

However with the last 50th anniversary Shelby cars, there was a slight difference in that the Kirkham frames and bodies were shipped from Poland to South Africa (instead of Vegas), so that all of the 50th anniversary cars were completed consistently in South Africa.

I am bit too lazy to go searching through old threads. There is a thread where I had posted pictures of aluminum cars at Vegas, both CSX1000 (sourced from AC) and CSX4000/CSX7000 cars (sourced from Kirkham) which are starting off as body and frame. There is another thread were David Kirkham mentions that for frames supplied to Shelby, they put the motor mounts in a slightly different location from an original car, as opposed to Kirkham which puts the motor mounts in the correct location. This information is also found in the SAAC registry. As for the last 50th anniversary body/frames being shipped from Poland to South Africa, that is mentioned in another thread and I think someone posted a picture related to that (I am not sure, but the picture might have been from computerworks (ron)).

We have not sent an aluminum frame and body to South Africa for many years. That said, Jimmy Price has always been very nice to deal with.

Currently, Shelby has bought several rollers from us. The latest Shelby's from us all have our suspension (and just about everything else). The above 427 50th has our latest billet suspension.

All motor mounts in our cars have always been in the same place. We do not make different frames for Shelby (or anyone else)--unless it is a very specific, custom chassis. We have had customers request V-12 set ups and all sorts of things over the years.

Originally Posted by Phill Pollard

On the Shelby American Facebook page where they announce the 50th Cobras someone using the name Chris Kirkham made a comment something to the effect of "Hey, I made (or built) that car!" I assumed that Chris is from the company known as Kirkham.

Phill

Chris is one of my twin sons (who both work here). They both did indeed work on that roller. I am extremely proud of both of them. They are working on becoming programmers. They jumped straight into our latest project of programming our new 8 axis robot with a laser. It is state-of-the-art.

Originally Posted by twobjshelbys

Not. They are based on different original cars and no two of the originals were the same. Kirkham and Shelby parts are not interchangeable. Just like Shelby and spf fiberglass cars and not from the same roots. Manufactured in the same factory yes but not the same lines spitting parts out at the end.

Hmmm...this is tricky to answer. Many Kirkham and Shelby parts (mostly suspension) of the past SHOULD be interchangeable in theory. In practice they have sometimes fallen short. In the past Shelby used George Petrus parts (George was a very nice man and unfortunately, he is now in the big race track in the sky). George was very liberal in his view of originality (among other things) and his original parts were/are a difficult interchange with original parts.

Originally Posted by bret a ewing

Tony,

Kirkham builds the original style suspension. It is an option.

Best, Bret.

Yes, we still do for those customers who want them. In the past, those customers have almost exclusively been Shelby. But, as I said above, Joe Conway of Shelby is deeply committed to using as high a quality of parts as he can find and they made the switch to the Kirkham billet suspension with us a bit ago.

Happy to answer questions,

David

[Al G]

David,
Thanks for the great explanation.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by Al G

David,
Thanks for the great explanation.

Above and beyond the "call of duty." Thank you.

[rodneym]

Thank you, David!

[Bernica]

A most excellent response and clears a lot of things up. Thanks David.!