Alloycars are real

[1ntCobra]

AL427SBF,

Don't you think this could have gone a lot easier for Alloycars if they had just said from the beginning that some of the pictures that they were using were "representative" of what their final product might look like? Instead they tried to switch pictures and pretend that did not happen?

With the insults and repeatedly using the "R" word, I completely agree with Jamo's decision here.

Ken

[McD00]

judge jamo is a class act with an average car guy's voice so we 'get it'. some dont. but i woudnt poke the bear too much.

[mikeinatlanta]

MrNobody: No offense, but your first indication was me and others telling you. Had you been a little less defensive and posted some of the requested info, you could have known much earlier. Same goes for alloycars. Had they been a little less defensive, they would have quickly learned what they had. In fact, look at the old thread and you will see where they were in fact told. Think of all the arguing and negativity that could have been saved.

In regards to the mustang II suspension, I'll assume that is a typo, however, bolting a MKII suspension onto a MKIV would negate the suspension geometry gains from the updated chassis. Yes they will bolt on, but you would be reversing what you just spent considerable money to gain.

Fact is that aside from the body you don't want, the MKIV has little to offer that would justify spending money on it. You would be way ahead to rebody the MKII and take care of any upgrades while the body is off.

Last thing and I'll bow out unless you ask for information. It isn't lost on me and I'll assume others that you have been unwilling to post a single picture or answer a single specific about your car. While you most certainly have your right to absolute privacy, the attempts get information while providing none, combined with some of the defensiveness does raise suspicion. Regardless, if you need a hand on anything just let me know.

Good luck to you on the venture

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by AL427SBF

It's been an interesting experience, and not without some high points, but no longer an objective place to voice an opinion, so time to move on. For those who have been helpful to me I am indebted and appreciate the info you have shared.

Go ahead Jamo, spin up some nonsense to save a little face, I'm already gone.

If you leave, then who will be left to defend small block Fords and Chevy engines in Cobras?

Best of luck to you.

[Buzz]

Originally Posted by mikeinatlanta

MrNobody: No offense, but your first indication was me and others telling you. Had you been a little less defensive and posted some of the requested info, you could have know much earlier. Same goes for alloycars. Had they been a little less defensive, they would have quickly learned what they had. In fact, look at the old thread and you will see where they were in fact told. Think of all the arguing and negativity that could have been saved.

In regards to the mustang II suspension, I'll assume that is a typo, however, bolting a MKII suspension onto a MKIV would negate the suspension geometry gains from the updated chassis. Yes they will bolt on, but you would be reversing what you just spent considerable money to gain.

Fact is that aside from the body you don't want, the MKIV has little to offer that would justify spending money on it. You would be way ahead to rebody the MKII and take care of any upgrades while the body is off.

Last thing and I'll bow out unless you ask for information. It isn't lost on me and I'll assume others that you have been unwilling to post a single picture or answer a single specific about your car. While you most certainly have your right to absolute privacy, the attempts get information while providing none, combined with some of the defensiveness does raise suspension. Regardless, if you need a hand on anything just let me know.

Good luck to you on the venture

Sound advice and well said. I hope the interested parties - whomever they may be - really pay attention to this.

[mikeinatlanta]

Originally Posted by Buzz

Sound advice and well said. I hope the interested parties - whomever they may be - really pay attention to this.

Except the spelling. Pay no attention to the spelling.

[MrNobody]

Originally Posted by Bill D

MrNobody, FFR has never used Mustang Ii suspension. Please recheck. Also what is your FFR number?

Sorry Sir, I called FFR this morning and they told me Mustang II spindles for MKII kits. I am getting confused. FFR number is FFR3973K

[MrNobody]

Wow, you guys have to calm down a little bit. It's only me, the little MrNobody with his aluminum conversion project, do you remember?

I just want to share my experience with Alloycars and I don't understand why you guys fighting one another over my decisions. You have to live with the facts I told you and if you don't believe a customer then go and look for yourself.

Looking at those previous posts:
I couldn't keep it in me so I did ask Ingo about this forum and his answer was very understandable:
Ingo went on vacation shortly before christmas and his general manager took the liberation to publish photos he wasn't allowed too. After he came back looking at his emails with links posting to this forum, but it was too late.
I don't want to go too far in details as it is not my business but after meeting with Ingo I got a completely different perception about him, totally opposite from what I read on this forum. Very informative, he does certainly need to work on his english and you still can feel an old time German in him.
What I have seen so far is good enough for me to go on with my project and that's what's important.

[G-Pete]

Originally Posted by AL427SBF

I continue to laugh that one of the most vocal detractors of Alloycars regarding "misleading info" (G-Pete), has a Shelby American Inc. manufacturer's plate riveted to the dash of his mustang donor 289.

Well, you forgot I have the Shelby Badge on the front and on the trunk. Shelby emblems on the wheel centers, even Shelby floor mats
I copied the original FIA car as much I liked - but never posted a picture of a car not owned or build by me as mine.


Difference between an Artist and a con artist.


PS: Provocation attempt failed.

[G-Pete]

Don't show just the dash, show the whole car....(I'm pretty proud of it)...

[G-Pete]

Oh, you missed the Good Years are not Good Years ---- that are Avons.

[Bill D]

Originally Posted by MrNobody

Sorry Sir, I called FFR this morning and they told me Mustang II spindles for MKII kits. I am getting confused. FFR number is FFR3973K

You were misinformed. I had a Mk2 FFR (3378) and it used 87-93 Fox spindles. You can use 94-96 SN95 spindles, but nowhere has FFR ever used Mustang II spindles.

[MrNobody]

Originally Posted by Bill D

You were misinformed. I had a Mk2 FFR (3378) and it used 87-93 Fox spindles. You can use 94-96 SN95 spindles, but nowhere has FFR ever used Mustang II spindles.

It can be that I didn't get it. But, you know. After all those posts here I will back up a little bit. Not with my aluminum re-body but I really didn't get any potential information and support here.
427SBF, Bill and only a small portion of members are really trying to look forward with this project but most of you are talking about anything else, like Kirkham badges, MKII aluminum body from Kirkham and trying to figure out personal information. What this has to do with aluminum bodied cars or with my project???
This is NOT very professional as I expected. I can see ENVIOUSNESS, MISLEADING and unwise comments.

All this for a fantastic FFR photo his buddy posted??? Come on.

Is this the idea of this FORUM? Really?

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by MrNobody

It can be that I didn't get it. But, you know. After all those posts here I will back up a little bit. Not with my aluminum re-body but I really didn't get any potential information and support here.
427SBF, Bill and only a small portion of members are really trying to look forward with this project but most of you are talking about anything else, like Kirkham badges, MKII aluminum body from Kirkham and trying to figure out personal information. What this has to do with aluminum bodied cars or with my project???
This is NOT very professional as I expected. I can see ENVIOUSNESS, MISLEADING and unwise comments.

All this for a fantastic FFR photo his buddy posted??? Come on.

Is this the idea of this FORUM? Really?

Protecting someone's money, aka consumer protection, is an important part of this or any forum. Fraud is fraud. You cannot use unauthorized pictures to sell your product. And it doesn't matter if "others do it." Wrong is wrong.

Enviousness? Misleading? You "come on."

As for "unwise" comments, I agree, NYG's "Kirkham badge" comment was ridiculous and nonsense, but Jamo cautioned NYG.

MikeinAtlanta has been bending over backwards to help you.

[MrNobody]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Protecting someone's money, aka consumer protection, is an important part of this or any forum. Fraud is fraud. You cannot use unauthorized pictures to sell your product. And it doesn't matter if "others do it." Wrong is wrong.

Enviousness? Misleading? You "come on."

As for "unwise" comments, I agree, NYG's "Kirkham badge" comment was ridiculous and nonsense, but Jamo cautioned NYG.

MikeinAtlanta has been bending over backwards to help you.

If I can forgive, and I am a customer, why you guys don't get over it and start to enjoy new possibilities like I do. At the end it will be a benefit for all of us.
Think about: Who is taking all advantages? Where else I can buy a "snug fit kit" for my FFR?

I am not buying the owner

[WhiteBirchFarm]

Originally Posted by MrNobody

It can be that I didn't get it. But, you know. After all those posts here I will back up a little bit. Not with my aluminum re-body but I really didn't get any potential information and support here.
427SBF, Bill and only a small portion of members are really trying to look forward with this project but most of you are talking about anything else, like Kirkham badges, MKII aluminum body from Kirkham and trying to figure out personal information. What this has to do with aluminum bodied cars or with my project???
This is NOT very professional as I expected. I can see ENVIOUSNESS, MISLEADING and unwise comments.

All this for a fantastic FFR photo his buddy posted??? Come on.

Is this the idea of this FORUM? Really?

I'm new here and not joining in on any of the back and forth. I do suggest you keep an open eye with things and report back your personal experiences. I would also suggest if you want great information read as you have done and contact those members with extensive knowledge through PM's or back channels.

You would be surprised dealing one on one with experts in this field.

[Bernica]

I see this site as a family of Cobra builders, owners and enthusiasts that truly want to help each other and further their build and their dreams, whatever they may be.

I also see JAMO as being a pretty even-handed moderator, which is not easy!

Hey, don't get me wrong...there have been plenty of times I could have turned into "Bad Bernica", but I try to refrain in respect to the members that continue to contribute and participate here.

This is a good place to be and I guess all I could offer is let's not pollute it.

OK, I'm done.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by MrNobody

If I can forgive, and I am a customer, why you guys don't get over it and start to enjoy new possibilities like I do. At the end it will be a benefit for all of us.
Think about: Who is taking all advantages? Where else I can buy a "snug fit kit" for my FFR?

I am not buying the owner

I can forgive, but not forget. Others here will do whatever they want to do.

"Who is taking all advantages?" Well, initially, Alloycars by mispresenting that they had 140 customers and using unauthorized pictures to sell their product here. That's who was "taking all advantages."

Personally, I buy the owner and the product. In my case, Kirkham provides excellent customer support, both pre and post sale, and that's why I bought a Kirkham.

[cycleguy55]

I've been following this thread, as well as others related to Alloycars, because I'd certainly like to see expanded options for aluminum bodied cars - especially if that means the entry price is lowered.

I'd certainly like to see Alloycars, or anyone else for that matter, succeed in bringing such bodies and/or cars to market, even though I don't currently have a Factory Five car or any immediate plans to acquire one.

At the same time, I certainly appreciate the value in protecting consumers, and it would appear others do as well - though perhaps at times their strong feelings and passion for such protection has been a bit overwhelming.

MrNobody: I wish you nothing but success in your deal with Alloycars to upgrade your FFR Mk2 / Mk II to an aluminum body - and certainly look forward to seeing photos and commentary not only about the finished result, but also the process.

Best wishes to all.

[G-Pete]

Originally Posted by MrNobody

This is NOT very professional as I expected. I can see ENVIOUSNESS, MISLEADING and unwise comments.

Specify!?