Why does every thread here devolve into a "Real" vs. "Replica" argument?

[MJJ]

When you are on your death bed and look back at how you spent your time, do you want to say " I am glad that I devoted approx 2 yrs of my life debating and arguing on Club Cobra if my Cobra is real or not?

As compared to spending that time with family, friends, helping others, visiting all 50 national parks while driving your cobra or car of choice.

[ERANJ]

Seems as though Evan have proven his point. Whether you choose to accept it or not is another topic.

[Dangerous Doug]

Uh, who is Ronald McQueen?

[jhv48]

Originally Posted by Dangerous Doug

Uh, who is Ronald McQueen?

Bassist of Steel Pulse.

[Dangerous Doug]

Originally Posted by jhv48

Bassist of Steel Pulse.

What does Ronald McQueen have to do with Steve McQueen?

[jhv48]

Originally Posted by Dangerous Doug

What does Ronald McQueen have to do with Steve McQueen?

They might have meant Chad McQueen.

[Dangerous Doug]

Nope. They meant Ronald McQueen---of Pennsylvania... Not of Steel Pulse fame, I'm sure.

Here's the post from "themustangnews.com" (note the date):

February 5, 2013 - CARS, EVENTS - Tagged: Carroll Shelby Foundation, Continuation, Prize Alert, Shelby Cobra

While he isn’t related to actor Steve McQueen his name makes a book end in the story of the 2012 Win-A-Shelby raffle which gave away a Shelby Cobra Roadster. Ronald McQueen of Pennsylvania has been announced the winner of the 50th anniversary Shelby Cobra continuation car of the 2012. raffle.

Hosted by the Carroll Shelby Foundation, the 2012 Win-A-Shelby raffle offered enthusiasts a shot at a small block, limited edition Cobra. Proceeds from the ticket sales benefit the Carroll Shelby Foundation, which was established by automotive icon and racing legend Carroll Shelby to provide financial support for children battling life-threatening illnesses and to promote continuing education.

“The 50th anniversary Cobra is a symbol of the last five decades of Shelby American’s incredible achievements,” said Jenni Shreeves, executive director of the Carroll Shelby Foundation. “Carroll was adamant that these Shelby Cobras be built with the same exceptional quality as the ones he created in the ‘60s. He was also excited that this raffle would give one lucky winner the opportunity to not just drive it, but own it. Now Ronald McQueen will live that dream by contributing to our efforts to help kids live a healthy, happy life with a bright future.”

Steve McQueen, who was best known for driving a Ford Mustang during the action-packed car chase scene in Bullit, was a fan of the Shelby Cobra. He visited Carroll Shelby at his Venice, Calif. facility throughout the 1960s, though legend has it that studio contracts prohibited him from owning one of the fast roadsters.

That did not keep him from sampling the Cobra as Shelby lent him the CSX2174 to cruise around Southern California. Ronald McQueen, however, will have the pleasure of owning the Shelby Cobra that Steve McQueen could never buy.

“The Shelby Cobra is one of the more sought after American collectible cars,” added McQueen. “I have friends who own Shelby vehicles and just hearing the roar of the raw power these Cobra engines generate is so exhilarating. Now, I too finally own a piece of Shelby’s automotive history.”

As part of Shelby American’s golden anniversary in 2012, the Carroll Shelby Foundation celebrated the tremendous milestone by offering the limited edition cars. Painted “Shelby black” and filled with a premium wine colored leather interior and special badges, only 50 of the limited-edition anniversary Cobras are being built. The new owner’s small-block Cobra will be documented in the official Shelby registry.

[Dangerous Doug]

The link: McQueen wins Continuation Shelby Cobra - TheMustangNewsTheMustangNews

[mejereb]

Hello DD
My name is mike I just got my first cobra delivery is in two
weeks Iam concerned about registration in ca
is the sb100 the best route or do you know any secrets

[jhv48]

Hey "Double D", sb100 is the only way to register your replica "legally" in Ca.

Lots of threads on the FFR forum that can walk you through the process.

[TN Shelby Cobra]

Originally Posted by NewYorkGuy

Hmm, if there is no big $$$, why did Shelby and McClusky fake their "barnyard" cobras to the public? This real vs. replica debate keeps these cars current to the next group of car guys

435 useless posts!

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by ERANJ

Seems as though Evan have proven his point. Whether you choose to accept it or not is another topic.

Thank you.

Understand it's not about whether I proved the point with the select number of sour grape members here which I have but its easy when the facts and law are on your side. As TwoShelby's notes even an "orange" could understand the issue. The Registry and even Hemming's accepts those facts. But you see for "them" its about childish insults (because that really all they have to work with) and deprecating something they don't own so they feel better about what they do own.

They make this site look bad.

Oh, well.

Now they will all scurry back and insult some more, post various pictures to prove their point that "they have me dancing". Count my posts on this thread and theirs or even their gratuitous posts on the other threads and mine. It becomes clear who has who "dancing". Funny I wasn't even trying.

Even on the other threads where I posted the SAAC statements and Hemming's vis a vis the Continuation Cobras....was posting searchable threads on the Continuation Cobras vis a vis SAAC's position and Hemmings buyers guide for any researching the issue. But of course they "scurried" over there to carry their juvenile antics over to those threads too. They already have this "sticky" thread to play in. Why they needed to comment over there who knows?

I have received PMs from Continuation owners commenting on what "jackasses" these guys are. I didn't say it others did. I agree though.

Watch, they'll be back here in short order tripping over each other to make more insulting comments and misguided "arguments" including calculations of percentages of "authenticity. Comical really.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

As TwoShelby's notes even an "orange" could understand the issue. The Registry and even Hemming's accepts those facts. But you see for "them" its about childish insults (because that really all they have to work with) and deprecating something they don't own so they feel better about what they do own.

No one reads or cares about Hemmings. It's the Betamax of magazines. Why not read an auction and investing magazine such as Keith Martin's Sports Car Market. They state it's a replica.

The Registry refers to your car as a "true replica" and "Cobra-like." No point has been proven by you because LOGIC tells me that a car that clones an original is a copy, REPLICA. You have admitted it's a replica, the Registry refers to it as a replica, the SAAC Cobra Registrar states it's a replica. REPLICAS cannot be genuine, real or authentic. LOGIC, baby.

As for INSULTS, as far as I can tell, you're the only one insulting people with comments like calling people "oranges" or "jackasses." And you should stop. Oh, except when Ned Scudder, the SAAC Cobra Registrar called you the following:

Originally Posted by Nedsel

For everyone's benefit, stop being such an arrogant and touchy twit.....

Hmmm. Interesting. Who makes this site look bad? Who's being childish?

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Even on the other threads where I posted the SAAC statements and Hemming's vis a vis the Continuation Cobras....was posting searchable threads on the Continuation Cobras vis a vis SAAC's position and Hemmings buyers guide for any researching the issue. But of course they "scurried" over there to carry their juvenile antics over to those threads too. They already have this "sticky" thread to play in. Why they needed to comment over there who knows?

I have received PMs from Continuation owners commenting on what "jackasses" these guys are. I didn't say it others did. I agree though.

Watch, they'll be back here in short order tripping over each other to make more insulting comments and misguided "arguments" including calculations of percentages of "authenticity. Comical really.

Evan, seriously, you're the person who started 2-3-4 additional threads on the same topic. You, not anyone else. You seem to be the only person who's insulting others. You, not anyone else. The SAAC Cobra Historian called you "arrogant touchy twit", so it's you, not anyone else.

And for those continuation owners who support you, but choose not to stand up and be counted here, I think that's wonderful, but it doesn't change my mind. We all know it's a REPLICA built by a successor company 30-50 years later using different materials. A component or KIT car that must be completed after sale by other humans and then given an exemption to be driven on the roads today with no warranty as a specially constructed vehicle. The original Cobra, built in the 1960's, was driven off a dealer's lot with warranty and register-able in all 50 States, exemption and inspections not needed. That can't be done today with the modern Shelby Cobra replica.

Evan, I'll continue to post here as long as you post your BS. And I'm very happy that you have your "minions" and they provide you comfort and make you feel better about yourself and your position.

Whoop-Dee-Doo. Like I really care about your visible "minions" like Tony (TwoBJShelbys) or your invisible "minions."

I'll continue to post, don't you worry. I'm staying right here every step of the way. But I won't trip over myself, since my core is rock solid from squats, snatches, DL's, HSPU's, MU's, GHD's, etc.

[tortuga]

"is it real?"
"Nope, its not even here, neither am i actually"
"you're an asshole"
"yes, but i am not the one talking to an imaginary person about an imaginary car"

Wish i had the balls...

[twobjshelbys]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Whoop-Dee-Doo. Like I really care about your visible "minions" like Tony (TwoBJShelbys) or your invisible "minions."

I don't care what you call it. I like continuation which is what Shelby calls it. Technically it is a replica because it's not original. But replicas are made by others. An original manufacturer doesn't replicate his own work. Don't argue with me or try to change my mind on the definition and parsing of the English language. The imprecision of English is mostly why lawyers exist. I won't change your mind and you won't change mine. Stop.

Mostly though what all of these threads continue to reinforce in my mind is that this place is anything but "the world's most unbiased Cobra Forum". This is no parsing of the English language, but observation of behaviours. Is there anyone here (except Evan and me) that has a single positive thing to say about Shelby?

Overall this place does better when someone asks why their car won't start.

/s/ Evan's minion.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by twobjshelbys

I don't care what you call it. I like continuation which is what Shelby calls it. Technically it is a replica because it's not original. But replicas are made by others. An original manufacturer doesn't replicate his own work. Don't argue with me or try to change my mind on the definition and parsing of the English language. The imprecision of English is mostly why lawyers exist. I won't change your mind and you won't change mine. Stop.

Mostly though what all of these threads continue to reinforce in my mind is that this place is anything but "the world's most unbiased Cobra Forum". This is no parsing of the English language, but observation of behaviours. Is there anyone here (except Evan and me) that has a single positive thing to say about Shelby?

Overall this place does better when someone asks why their car won't start.

/s/ Evan's minion.

Tony, I don't care what you and Evan call it. As you said, my mind won't be changed and everyone even admits it's a replica. And it's a successor company making a car in a kit form. It's not a Dodge Challenger, Chevrolet Corvette or a Porsche 911. Those cars evolved over 50 years and can driven off a car dealer's lot all registered and legal. The Shelby Cobra replica cannot. If Shelby were manufacturing a brand new legal Shelby Cobra, not a replica, my guess is that it would look alot like the Dodge/SRT Viper.

I've never said a bad word about the Shelby replica's quality or the Carroll Shelby himself. NEVER! When folks bash Mr. Shelby for various misdeeds, I've never said a bad word about him, the company or the quality of the replica. Obviously, in the case of the 50th Anniversary cars, Kirkham produces the entire car and they even made at least one of the Competition 3000 series Cobra replica. And I know first-hand the quality of the Kirkham Cobra replicas.

But when someone wants to call the CSX4000/6000/7000/8000 authentic, genuine or a real Shelby Cobra, then I say, they only made those in 1962-1967.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by twobjshelbys

Stop.

Sorry, but I won't STOP. If you, Evan or whoever will STOP posting about the Shelby replicas being genuine, real or authentic, then I'll STOP. No rest until then.

I'm not the one who is creating these threads. Not one of them. Evan has created a few.

BTW, when you and others post on the subject of historical accuracy between AC and Shelby, I never post. Not an area of expertise.

I post when LOGIC is broken.

[REAL 1]

[quote=Nedsel;1366424]
Quote:
Originally Posted by REAL 1 View Post

My post on Ned's statement: "So if SAAC is no longer concerned with the current production Cobras maybe Continuation owners should stop registering their cars with SAAC for the next Registry? I guess SAAC doesn't even need a Continuation Series Registar then? Hmmm. Hell, if SAAC is printing stuff they really didn't mean (did they?) because they are "PC" who needs the Registry?

So what is the next Reigistry going to say Ned? The current production Shelby Cobras aren't Shelby Cobras? Puhleese. Really? Why wait. Publish a statement now. "

Ned: Rather than defending the same position again and again from (slightly) different vantage points, you may wish to re-read exactly what I said, which is that SAAC has ceded control of anything having to do with the later cars to the organization that built them. Nowhere did I suggest SAAC doesn't welcome them. Nowhere did I say they are not considered Shelby Cobras. For everyone's benefit, stop being such an arrogant and touchy twit and take the time to understand what is being said rather than continue to endlessly defend the same turf even when it hasn't been attacked.

To which I responded: Oh, thanks for clarifying. So it was all an honest misunderstanding. Gee I thought so. Then we agree the SAAC statements both then and now and the Registry which is consistent with those statments do clearly and honestly set forth SAAC's view on the current production Cobras (Continuation series). Glad we cleared that all up.
Yeah, I'll try and take your advice about the "arrogant" and touchy "twit stuff" and read more closely and you can follow suit and stop being a pompous a$$ and condescending towards the current production Shelby Cobras and write more clearly what you mean."
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The above really must have hurt when your "champion" was shown the door on the issue. His further claim that SAAC "ceded control of anything doing with later cars" is hooey. Yeah, right, that's why they are still taking registration info on current production Cobras, FGT's etc...and the current statement states its purpose as the exact opposite of the hooey your champion tried to peddle.

Keep trying.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

The above really must have hurt when your "champion" was shown the door on the issue. SAAC ceded control of anything doing with later cars. Yeah, right, that's why they are still taking registration info on current production Cobras, FGT's etc...and the current statement states its purpose as the exact opposite of the hooey your champion tried to peddle.

Keep trying.

No not at all.

Ned Scudder, the SAAC Cobra Registrar called them a replica. Other Board members think the same. Both you and Tony (TwoBJShelbys) called them a replica.

The SAAC Registry doesn't give a $hit about them, so they ceded control. And I assume the SAAC Registry will remove all replicas from their Registry. If for some reason they don't, then I'm sure definitions will change in the next update in another few years and they'll keep the references of "Cobra-like" and "true replica." Remember what Ned said, those definitions and the rest of the Registry required a deft touch at a time when Shelby and SAAC weren't friendly. We'll see what the future holds.

But ultimately, logic tells me that a replica cannot be considered genuine, real or authentic.

Logic, facts and the current and future Registries.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

The above really must have hurt when your "champion" was shown the door on the issue.

When you say "champion" I'm assuming you mean Historian, when referring to Ned. Ned is one of the leading historians on the original Cobras.

The only champions, at least recently, that I recognize are the 2010, 2012 and 2014 San Francisco Giants and the 2014-2015 Golden State Warriors. Oh, and I'll include the 2015 Women's World Cup Champions from the USA after spanking Japan 5-2.