Why does every thread here devolve into a "Real" vs. "Replica" argument?

[Joe's Garage]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Nope, he asked Billy Andrews of HRE how much it would cost to replace CSX4206. With CSX alloy rollers at $160,000, I'm assuming the other $80,000 would be for the engine, trans and the alot of real-ly genuine and authentic details, making it more real-er.

So, Evan called his insurance company and told them the real replacement value of his car is $240,000.

Interesting, another example of a man owned by his car. Now that the Denbeste-Kirkhams are coming out I imagine Evan is not too pleased, wait I think I read something about that ...

Originally Posted by REAL 1

... I don't believe these cars will be well received by SAAC or the Cobra community across the board due to their use of the 3000 series vins. I think this will affect their desireability and value including the hit and miss nature of where you may be able to register the things.

[REAL 1]

Dearest: PaulF: my sincerest apologies with regard to my misdirected plate moniker comment. I confused you with the multitudes of others with such plates. They kow who they are.

As to the rest, what can I say except carry on. Alas they are beyond help either due to inability to comprehend the point that even the newbie understands or as a result of furthering their own purpose. They still scurry to undercut the facts, the law (by miss citing trade dress decisions) and logical rational explanation as to the undeniable ultimate fact. The World Registry concurs also agreeing with the facts and law as it must necessarily do. One cannot read selected snippets of the Registry taken out of context as misleadingly done by others here. All those innocents reading are urged to read the cited pages I set forth for themselves so as not to be misdirected in their understanding.

The only one that has finally acknowledged the simple truth and fact has been PaulF. Thank you sir. You have acknowledged and recognized the simple and obvious fact that has and will apparently forever escape the others. They are beyond help as noted. But if I have helped just one my efforts were worthwhile here.

Time for me to avoid squandering precious and billable time on those that can't be helped.

Adieu my lost friends. See you on other threads.

[trularin]

Timex - takes a licking and keeps on ticking.

[cycleguy55]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Time for me to avoid squandering precious and billable time on those that can't be helped.

Promise?

[Joe's Garage]

Well that puts me in a pickle, what does an organ-grinder do if he loses his dancing monkey?

[trularin]

Originally Posted by Joe's Garage

Well that puts me in a pickle, what does an organ-grinder do if he loses his dancing monkey?

Well done.

[jhv48]

Originally Posted by Joe's Garage

Well that puts me in a pickle, what does an organ-grinder do if he loses his dancing monkey?

Play a different tune!

He'll be back! He can't resist.

That's why it's so easy.

[Joe's Garage]

Yep, maybe add some fruit with the bananas? He can't take the GPS collar off so I'll always know where to find him

[Al G]

I really wonder if some of you guys are a**holes all the time or only on this forum.. Try taking it down a notch.

[Joe's Garage]

Close, you are confusing "some" with one, and he has left for reasons obvious to all.

[Al G]

Originally Posted by Joe's Garage

Close, you are confusing "some" with one, and he has left for reasons obvious to all.

No, he's the one I wasn't including.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by Al G

I really wonder if some of you guys are a**holes all the time or only on this forum.. Try taking it down a notch.

Those who live in glass houses shouldn't cast stones.

Seriously, your personal attack is unnecessary. Why can't I and others express their opinions on a topic in public forum in a constructive way?

We discussed issues such as the SAAC Registry and its meaning(s), the AC and Shelby history and replica values of both the Kirkhams and Shelbys among other topics.

Why must you insult people? If you don't like this topic, then just ignore it and read another thread.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by Al G

No, he's the one I wasn't including.

By insulting people, is your plan to get the thread shut down? Because that's the only reason I could see for using bad language. If you don't like the thread topic, then find another thread to read and post. That's what I'd do.

[Joe's Garage]

Originally Posted by Al G

No, he's the one I wasn't including.

And you own a what? Oh never mind.
Just goes to show what happens when anyone puts themselves on a pedestal and then alienates those supporting the same hobby.

[Blue66]

Originally Posted by Joe's Garage

And you own a what? .

CSX car here to. We are so evil

[RodKnock]

I'll quote Jamo from Post #77 page 4:

Originally Posted by Jamo

All that being said, with the creation of this sticky, I am not going to allow a free-for-all with name calling, etc. This applies to everyone concerned.

Proceed with care...

[LMH]

Guys, I don't like the real, not real, fake thing as I said before and I'm actually guilty of insults myself but I think the personal stuff is overboard. While I think Evan says it loudly and excessively, I understand what he's saying in terms of his car and all the late CSX cars as being genuine Shelbys. They do come from SAI after all. He does have a valid point there. They don't share full bloodline with originals but it is a Shelby product.
Anyway, I just had to throw that in there.
Larry

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by LMH

Guys, I don't like the real, not real, fake thing as I said before and I'm actually guilty of insults myself but I think the personal stuff is overboard. While I think Evan says it loudly and excessively, I understand what he's saying in terms of his car and all the late CSX cars as being genuine Shelbys. They do come from SAI after all. He does have a valid point there. They don't share full bloodline with originals but it is a Shelby product.
Anyway, I just had to throw that in there.
Larry

Larry, I've said this before and I'll say again, the current model Shelby Cobra replica is produced by a different/successor company, with a 30-50 year gap in production, which uses completely different materials and assembly process, different sales process (cannot be legally registered as a current year model with a warranty and driven off a dealer's lot as a complete turnkey) cannot be called "genuine" or "authentic." It just can't.

And in terms of the 50th anniversary models, they are completely Kirkhams, but for badging and a paint job. And of course, the engine and transmission.

It's a "genuine replica" or "true replica", which Evan agrees with, or even the Registry references it as "Cobra-like."

[LMH]

That's true but what I get out of his posts are his car is a real Shelby. While you're correct and I know exactly what you're saying, his car was produced by Shelby as a roller and thereby, their product. Should it serve a place in history with the original cars, no in my opinion. But that's up to Ned and crew, not me. I'm just a SAAC member but not a shot-caller.
That's how I see it anyway.
Larry

After thinking about it and RodKnock pointing it out to me, I replaced "genuine" with "real". I have an issue with applying that term to late CSX cars

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by LMH

That's true but what I get out of his posts are his car is a genuine Shelby. While you're correct and I know exactly what you're saying, his car was produced by Shelby as a roller and thereby, their product. Should it serve a place in history with the original cars, no in my opinion. But that's up to Ned and crew, not me. I'm just a SAAC member but not a shot-caller.
That's how I see it anyway.
Larry

Where I disagree, and many others, including Ned as well, is the word "genuine." It's simply is not genuine. "Genuine" implies "original" or "authentic."

The car is being reproduced or recreated by the current incarnation of Shelby American, Inc.