Interesting Article from Hemmings Buyer Guide regarding Current Production Cobras

[twobjshelbys]

I just can't understand why Joe's Garage and RodKnock continue to insist on berating and belittling the Shelby Cobras. There is a troll on the Shelby forum trying to belittle the KR, but his mission is to persuade someone who owns one that it is worthless so the troll can buy it for under 20k. Neither of you has expressed any interest in buying one, so it's not doing you any personal good to try to knock down the price. So in the end, all you are doing is convincing others who have no interest in buying one that any price above that of a Factory Five kit is a waste of money, and no Shelby can ever be worth more or as nice as Kirkhams. And even if you convince me to berate my (former) car by lowering it to that level, and convince the very few other Shelby continuation owners here the same, it's irrelevant. The huge majority of Shelby owners aren't even participants here, and if they lurk and don't post this is the reason, the market for those cars is almost exclusively NOT HERE.

You won't convince me to use words anything other than the car I (used to own) is a Shelby Continuation Cobra.

I know you would prefer something like:

Q: Oh wow that's cool, is it real?
A: Oh my God I'm glad you (sob) asked that (sob) question. I (sob) feel it is time (Sob) for me to come clean. (sob) It's (sob) a worthless copy of (sob) a car built by a snake oil (sob) salesman and (sob) totally a (sob) scam upon the (sob) public. I'm so (sob) sorry (sob) that I have (sob) decieved you into thinking that it is anything (sob) other than something (sob) built (Sob) by a 16 year old junkie in high school (sob) in the shop. I (sob) will see to it (sob) that it is destroyed (sob) today so that I (sob) don't decieve (sob) anyone any more. If (sob) you wish (sob) I will fall on my sword (sob) afterwards.

On the other hand, the real market for Shelbys is strong, lead times are long, and used versions on Cobra Country move quickly at or near asking price (which is rarely anything but the highest)

So remind us again, what is the purpose if the discussion? What is the expected outcome?

By the way, Joe's Garage can't show us pictures of his car because he found after he opened the crate that it was entirely PVC plastic, and that it came with this toolkit:

Bosch Tool Set with Ixolino by Theo Klein

Continue to have fun.

[Joe's Garage]

Evan's grab ass playmate jumps to the rescue

[twobjshelbys]

Originally Posted by Joe's Garage

Evan's grab ass playmate jumps to the rescue

Wow, slower than I thought.

There is a dead pool on how soon you stroke out on this.

[RodKnock]

Tony, the Shelby and Kirkham alloy models are the premier replicas in the market, except for someone like Mr. McCluskey who might build one from scratch or something.

People will pay a premium for the CSX plaque. No doubt about it. That's obvious. We can debate the amount of the premium all day, at least in the secondary market, but that's not important.

What is important, to me, is that the words "genuine", "real", or "authentic" are NOT used in connection with the anything other than the 998. Simple as that for me. And the SAAC website statement has removed it and the Registry will be next.

[twobjshelbys]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Tony, the Shelby and Kirkham alloy models are the premier replicas in the market, except for someone like Mr. McCluskey who might build one from scratch or something.

People will pay a premium for the CSX plaque. No doubt about it. That's obvious. We can debate the amount of the premium all day, at least in the secondary market, but that's not important.

What is important, to me, is that the words "genuine", "real", or "authentic" are NOT used in connection with the anything other than the 998. Simple as that for me. And the SAAC website statement has removed it and the Registry will be next.

Please diagram the following sentence:

I own a genuine Shelby Cobra

[REAL 1]

Tony: Great post!!!

Yes, from now on to make friends here maybe I will follow that dialog and come clean with sobs and all.

This "grab ass" phrase ...what is that anyway? Never heard that term. Obviously familiar to our new troll.

Still waiting for the "grab ass" expert to post pics of his, well whatever it is that lying on his floor.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by twobjshelbys

Please diagram the following sentence:

I own a genuine Shelby Cobra

I own a genuine Shelby Cobra, if and only if, I own 1 of the 998.

How's that?

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Tony, the Shelby and Kirkham alloy models are the premier replicas in the market, except for someone like Mr. McCluskey who might build one from scratch or something.

People will pay a premium for the CSX plaque. No doubt about it. That's obvious. We can debate the amount of the premium all day, at least in the secondary market, but that's not important.

What is important, to me, is that the words "genuine", "real", or "authentic" are NOT used in connection with the anything other than the 998. Simple as that for me. And the SAAC website statement has removed it and the Registry will be next.

The 2008 SAAC statement was superceded by the Registry.

The current SAAC statement does not change a thing about their prior statement, does not retract their position, correct it or modify it in any way. That is your misplaced and misguided "interpretation". You are desperate to see what you want to see. If SAAC wanted to "correct", change or modify or retract what they said and their position they could have clearly and emphatically done so. They have not.

If fact if you go to the SAAC forums today there is a separate forum category for "replicas and Tributes". CSX Cobras both original and Continuation have their own discussion forums separate from "replicas and tributes".

Sorry to break it to you.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Tony: Great post!!!

Yes, from now on to make friends here maybe I will follow that dialog and come clean with sobs and all.

This "grab ass" phrase ...what is that anyway? Never heard that term. Obviously familiar to our new troll.

Still waiting for the "grab ass" expert to post pics of his, well whatever it is that lying on his floor.

Speaking of phrases, where does "flotsam and jetsam" come from? I've never heard that one before.

"Grab-ass" is kinda like two dogs going round and round sniffing the other one's butt. Kinda like you and Tony here.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

The 2008 SAAC statement was superceded by the Registry.

The current SAAC statement does not change a thing about their prior statement, does not retract their position, correct it or modify it in any way. That is your misplaced and misguided "interpretation". You are desperate to see what you want to see. If SAAC wanted to "correct", change or modify or retract what they said and their position they could have clearly and emphatically done so. They have not.

Sorry to break it to you.

All gone. SAAC's website has been updated and the word genuine or authentic as it relates to the Shelby replicas has been removed.

And it obviously changes, modifies and retracts their prior position. See Ned's prior comments. I could post them here again and again.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

I own a genuine Shelby Cobra, if and only if, I own 1 of the 998.

How's that?

Thank God you cleared that up!!! So my Shelby Cobra is a fake of a Shelby Cobra.

Yes, it all makes perfect sense now.

Ok. Got it.

Oey vey.

Read the Registry boys.

[Dimis]

Originally Posted by twobjshelbys

Please diagram the following sentence:

I owned a genuine 2008? Shelby Cobra

Hey there, fixed it for you

Ps. It was a very nice car indeed. Different with the yellow wheels and all, but very nice none the less.

Pps: Joe - Why do you feel the need to be so rude?

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

So my Shelby Cobra is a fake of a Shelby Cobra.

You own a genuine Shelby Cobra replica. A copy of one of the original 998. Congratulations. Great car. And I love black-painted replicas. Maybe my favorite paint color for a Cobra or Cobra replica.

And yes, read the Registry, especially the page(s) where the Shelby Cobra replica is called a "true replica" and "Cobra-like."

Oh, and read Ned The Curator's statements, which are consistent with those two terms.

[twobjshelbys]

Originally Posted by Dimis

Hey there, fixed it for you

Ps. It was a very nice car indeed. Different with the yellow wheels and all, but very nice none the less.

Pps: Joe - Why do you feel the need to be so rude?

A true statement also, but it doesn't change the outcome - it merely makes a general statement a specific one.

I've since seen several other British Racing Green Cobras. BRG was on the official Shelby paint list. [The paint list used to be on Gessford Machine's site but I was looking for it recently and couldn't find it.] The green color they called out was exactly Jaguar's paint code, and in fact, HST used Jag sourced paint. The yellow/gold stripe color is some Mercedes color.

The original owner paid a pretty penny to get the wheels painted.

[cycleguy55]

RodKnock and REAL 1:

Having read FAR too many posts on the topic of real, original, genuine, replica, etc., it is painfully obvious neither of you is going to convince the other to accept your arguments, no matter how well reasoned and/or referenced.

I know it's a stretch, but is it possible the two of you could 'agree to disagree' and move on to other topics?

[Joe's Garage]

Evan must disengage, members have been telling him to do that in one form or another for the last 12 years. Here's a very amusing poll and 2 page thread back in 2003. You would think after pissing into the wind, the blowback would have taught him something, but apparently not - enjoy!

Should CSX 4206 be an Icon for CSX owners.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by cycleguy55

RodKnock and REAL 1:

Having read FAR too many posts on the topic of real, original, genuine, replica, etc., it is painfully obvious neither of you is going to convince the other to accept your arguments, no matter how well reasoned and/or referenced.

I know it's a stretch, but is it possible the two of you could 'agree to disagree' and move on to other topics?

I'd say anything is possible, but I'm firm believer in the 998. And that those are the only Cobras that can be considered real, genuine and authentic. That's all. I think CSX alloy replicas are the top of the heap and Evan's 4206 is right there near the top. I'm not throwing any shade on the them whatsoever, just don't tread on the 998.

And for the folks that don't want to read the nonsense, and trust me, I know it's nonsense, just don't click on the thread. Jamo made it a sticky for a reason and this argument has probably been going on since before Evan and I got here and will continue to go on even after all replicas are removed from the next Registry.

[Joe's Garage]

Technically this isn't the "sticky thread", Evan created this one along with a 3rd when the oven got too hot for him here -

Why does every thread here devolve into a "Real" vs. "Replica" argument?

The above thread is where this crap belongs, but Evan likes to cut & run when the going gets tough

[Paul F]

Originally Posted by cycleguy55

RodKnock and REAL 1:

Having read FAR too many posts on the topic of real, original, genuine, replica, etc., it is painfully obvious neither of you is going to convince the other to accept your arguments, no matter how well reasoned and/or referenced.

.....?

I don't know. I've read many of the posts and I still think that neither side has made their position clear. I'd like to hear more discussion. Perhaps REAL1 and Rodknock can give us an overview of the threads and what has been discussed so far, then refresh us with their current statements on the topic and then have one minute for rebuttal.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by Paul F

I don't know. I've read many of the posts and I still think that neither side has made their position clear. I'd like to hear more discussion. Perhaps REAL1 and Rodknock can give us an overview of the threads and what has been discussed so far, then refresh us with their current statements on the topic and then have one minute for rebuttal.

Yes, recapping the last 100 +/- pages of three threads, my position is as follows...