Continuation Cobras & SAAC

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Thinks so? Based on what the "3000 Registar" said There's un-biased opinion.

Not me.

Remember, "SAAC's position," per Ned.

[twobjshelbys]

Originally Posted by A-Snake

If you make that assumption it would be possible to assume that Shelby would have withered away without the efforts of AC Cars.

Shelby would have found another platform for his racing vehicle so Shelby would have continued. Whether that effort would have been successful I would believe not so much but recall the open roadster was not so much a success. It was the roadster rebodied into the coupe that won. And by that time Shelby's attention was mostly focused on the Ford gt program

The Shelby / AC relationship was symbiotic . Neither probably would have flourished without the other

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Remember, "SAAC's position," per Ned.

Gee then SAAC should immediately correct the Registry and their statement on their Web site as "per Ned". Still reads consistently 7 years later.

In the meantime, I'll go with the current SAAC statement on their website and the Registry.

You can go with Ned.



P.S. A "replica" can be genuine. Sure it can. Read the Registry.

[jhv48]

He sure gets pissy when the facts turn against him.

Good job, guys! You yank on the strings, and we get to watch him dance.

This thread took an ugly turn a few pages ago. Knives, watches, etc. Glad it finally got back on track. The defense never rests.

[A-Snake]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

In the meantime, I'll go with the current SAAC statement on their website and the Registry.

Curious...what statement on their website? Do you have a link for it?

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Gee then SAAC should immediately correct the Registry and their statement on their Web site as "per Ned". Still reads consistently 7 years later.

In the meantime, I'll go with the current SAAC statement on their website and the Registry.

You can go with Ned.



P.S. A "replica" can be genuine. Sure it can. Read the Registry.

I didn't know SAAC publishes a Registry every week, month or even every year? You do realize that publishing the Registry is a monumental task done by volunteers. They publish roughly every decade, if I remember correctly.

Anyway, definitions can change over time. New words are created all the time. The dictionary and Wiki change constantly.

But one thing is for sure. A replica cannot be genuine. That is pure unadulterated logic. And I'll stick with logic.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by Nedsel

That's pretty much what everyone has acknowledged. The 60's Cobras are the original, authentic Cobras that define the term "real" in most peoples' minds when they ask the question, "Is that a real Cobra?" They are not asking how exact a copy of the 60's cars your car might be; they are asking, "Was it made in the 60's? Hence, is it a real Cobra?"

Yep. However, doesn't exclude them from accepting current production Cobras as authentic Cobras either when they are told it's a Shelby. Registry says there authentic too just a different generation Shelby. That's the reaction I get with people to my car.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by twobjshelbys

It is also an observation that after all of the careful wording and mutual backstratching that the SAAC seems to be oriented towards ditching acknowledging all Shelby vehicles after the originals. Will similar treatment be made to the Angliss cars, the McClusky cars and (ahhhem) Kirkham?

I assume it would retain the GT500/GT350's but also drop Ford GT.

If so then the registry (which will never ever be published in paper again) is an uninteresting document except for reference at auctions.

Excellent post Tony. Bingo.

[Thor maine]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Yep. However, doesn't exclude them from accepting current production Cobras as authentic Cobras either when they are told it's a Shelby. Registry says there authentic too just a different generation Shelby. That's the reaction I get with people to my car.

Yep ,just another generation of a 1/3 authentic replica kit car and you can take that to the bank.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by twobjshelbys

It is also an observation that after all of the careful wording and mutual backstratching that the SAAC seems to be oriented towards ditching acknowledging all Shelby vehicles after the originals. Will similar treatment be made to the Angliss cars, the McClusky cars and (ahhhem) Kirkham?

I assume it would retain the GT500/GT350's but also drop Ford GT.

If so then the registry (which will never ever be published in paper again) is an uninteresting document except for reference at auctions.

I bought my first Registry around 1987, I think. Long before SAAC started to allowing replicas into the Registry. My interest in Shelby and his vehicles began very early in my life.

It's unfortunate, that your interest is only in the modern replicas and not with the history of the original vehicles. Too bad, doesn't sound like your a Shelby fan. You're a "replica fan."

[Thor maine]

Yep it is official a 1/3 authentic Shelby Cobra replica kit car,,, continuation. AC cars of today does use the COB and COX serial numbers, I guess they are 1/3 authentic ????

[Nedsel]

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"So if SAAC is no longer concerned with the current production Cobras maybe Continuation owners should stop registering their cars with SAAC for the next Registry? I guess SAAC doesn't even need a Continuation Series Registar then? Hmmm. Hell, if SAAC is printing stuff they really didn't mean (did they?) because they are "PC" who needs the Registry?

So what is the next Reigistry going to say Ned? The current production Shelby Cobras aren't Shelby Cobras? Puhleese. Really? Why wait. Publish a statement now. "

Rather than defending the same position again and again from (slightly) different vantage points, you may wish to re-read exactly what I said, which is that SAAC has ceded control of anything having to do with the later cars to the organization that built them. Nowhere did I suggest SAAC doesn't welcome them. Nowhere did I say they are not considered Shelby Cobras. For everyone's benefit, stop being such an arrogant and touchy twit and take the time to understand what is being said rather than continue to endlessly defend the same turf even when it hasn't been attacked.

[fordracing65]

I love those words, arrogant and touchy twit, well said...

[REAL 1]

[quote=Nedsel;1366424]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

"So if SAAC is no longer concerned with the current production Cobras maybe Continuation owners should stop registering their cars with SAAC for the next Registry? I guess SAAC doesn't even need a Continuation Series Registar then? Hmmm. Hell, if SAAC is printing stuff they really didn't mean (did they?) because they are "PC" who needs the Registry?

So what is the next Reigistry going to say Ned? The current production Shelby Cobras aren't Shelby Cobras? Puhleese. Really? Why wait. Publish a statement now. "

Rather than defending the same position again and again from (slightly) different vantage points, you may wish to re-read exactly what I said, which is that SAAC has ceded control of anything having to do with the later cars to the organization that built them. Nowhere did I suggest SAAC doesn't welcome them. Nowhere did I say they are not considered Shelby Cobras. For everyone's benefit, stop being such an arrogant and touchy twit and take the time to understand what is being said rather than continue to endlessly defend the same turf even when it hasn't been attacked.

Oh, thanks for clarifying. So it was all an honest misunderstanding. Gee I thought so. Then we agree the SAAC statements both then and now and the Registry which is consistent with those statments do clearly and honestly set forth SAAC's view on the current production Cobras (Continuation series). Glad we cleared that all up.

Yeah, I'll try and take your advice about the "arrogant" and touchy "twit stuff" and read more closely and you can follow suit and stop being a pompous a$$ and condescending towards the current production Shelby Cobras and write more clearly what you mean.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by fordracing65

I love those words, arrogant and touchy twit, well said...

I'm surprised you know what "arrogant" means. On second thought you probably just took out Websters.

[DanEC]

Wow - you guys make the C2 Corvette Forum seem almost tranquil by comparison.

[Joe's Garage]

Hum? Arrogant Touchy Twit?
Has a ring to it, rolls of the tongue nicely, fits well - that's a keeper!

[RodKnock]

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Originally Posted by Nedsel

Oh, thanks for clarifying. So it was all an honest misunderstanding. Gee I thought so. Then we agree the SAAC statements both then and now and the Registry which is consistent with those statments do clearly and honestly set forth SAAC's view on the current production Cobras (Continuation series). Glad we cleared that all up.

Yeah, I'll try and take your advice about the "arrogant" and touchy "twit stuff" and read more closely and you can follow suit and stop being a pompous a$$ and condescending towards the current production Shelby Cobras and write more clearly what you mean.

No one ever said that they're not Shelby Cobra REPLICAS. The Registry still refers to them as Cobra-like and true replicas. And Ned still believes they're replicas.

No matter what is said, it's not a real genuine Shelby Cobra. Shelby Cobra replica yes. A replica cannot be genuine. But you can have a genuine REPLICA.

[olddog]

Ok I admit I am an ignorant red neck hillbilly and legal words and mumbo jumbo confuse and confound me. So do not try to dice my words too carefully.

So back in the 1960's a company of some type, that was owned or controlled by Mr Shelby, existed. I think the name was Shelby American. They completed the assembly of a car by putting a Ford drive train into a British car. Then the cars were sold at Ford dealerships - at least some were, right?

By the 1970's these cars were no longer made. Question: Did that company (that final assembled these cars) continue to exist? If so, did it do something else or did it only exist on paper?

Sometime later Shelby sold turn key minus cars that resembled the 1960's cars. Is this company the same exact company from the 1960's or is it a different company?

[Joe's Garage]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

No one ever said that they're not Shelby Cobra REPLICAS. The Registry still refers to them as Cobra-like and true replicas. And Ned still believes they're replicas.

No matter what is said, it's not a real genuine Shelby Cobra. Shelby Cobra replica yes. A replica cannot be genuine. But you can have a genuine REPLICA.

Note that CC has mixed up who said what, Nedsel did not say what you have quoted in this reply, it should be ...

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Oh, thanks for clarifying. So it was all an honest misunderstanding. Gee I thought so. Then we agree the SAAC statements both then and now and the Registry which is consistent with those statments do clearly and honestly set forth SAAC's view on the current production Cobras (Continuation series). Glad we cleared that all up.

Yeah, I'll try and take your advice about the "arrogant" and touchy "twit stuff" and read more closely and you can follow suit and stop being a pompous a$$ and condescending towards the current production Shelby Cobras and write more clearly what you mean.

All need to remove the quote reference that is incorrect at the top of the post you are replying to.