Continuation Cobras & SAAC

[LMH]

I can't believe we have four currently active threads basically about the same topic!
Larry

[gthompson]

I'm not sure why some people get so hung up on referring to their car as original, real, authentic, copy, replica, reproduction, etc.

Isn't this about being in a community of people that share a common interest or love for the Cobra?

I have a lot of fun hanging out with everyone at our monthly DFW meets and/or drives.

All of these posts just create hard feelings and divisiveness.

I think that the more people involved in this hobby, the better.

[jhv48]

Different day, new players, same BS.
My head hurts.

[Joe's Garage]

Check this out ...

Super Precision Gyroscope Specifications
• 12,000 revolutions per minute
• Computer balanced to 250th of a gram
• 7 minute 'Spin time' without motor

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I have one and it is cool as hell!

[jhv48]

Originally Posted by Joe's Garage

Check this out ...

Super Precision Gyroscope Specifications
• 12,000 revolutions per minute
• Computer balanced to 250th of a gram
• 7 minute 'Spin time' without motor

Gyroscope.com



I have one and it is cool as hell!

But is it genuine or real?

Now back to our regularly scheduled program.

[Joe's Garage]

Originally Posted by jhv48

But is it genuine or real?

Now back to our regularly scheduled program.

It is a genuine real Gyroscope made using better materials and design from a different company that is 100% faithful to the original gyroscope below, much like the CSX4000/6000 is to the '60s Cobra.

[olddog]

So Chrysler sold a Dodge Challenger in 1970. For a decade or two, no cars were sold with the Challenger name. In the mean time, Chrysler was nearly bankrupt and bailed out by the government a couple times. It was restructured and sold to the Germans for a while. Today they sell a Dodge Challenger that looks very much like the 1970 model. Even though it looks like it, I do not think they share a common dimension or part.

If anyone asked, a present day owner, "is that a real 1970 Challenger," obviously the correct answer is NO.

If anyone asked, a present day owner, "is that a real Challenger," certainly the owner could truthfully answer YES.

However to my knowledge no one is selling replicas of the 1970 Challenger. Assume there were replicas of the 1970 Challenger made by dozens of manufactures for decades, but they were still very rare to see, because the total numbers made we so few. Let's assume that the 1970 Dodge Challenger is an extremely rare highly regarded Icon, and that millions of people dream of seeing an original.

Now when a person asks "is that a real Challenger," is the missing 1970 implied? Of course the missing 1970 is implied. In this case, to answer yes may be technically correct. It may be legally correct. To answer yes without clarifying the difference is misleading. Now you can justify that by blaming the questioner for not being more specific, and it is true. They should have been more specific. However, to knowingly answer a question, in a way that causes a person to believe something that is untrue, is immoral.

It is a sleazy, underhanded, low-life thing to do. Attorneys, advertisers, and politicians (let's call them elites) practice this all the time. They spend hours trying to figure a way to wiggle and twist words to purposely dupe someone into believing an untruth. That is why normal people (the ignorant masses to the elites) hate them so much.

Yes, the continuation Cobra sold by Shelby is a real Shelby Cobra, but it has little to do with the original Cobra that was sold in the 1960's.

[olddog]

PS:
I hate to lump all Attorneys into the general group of elites, but then again not all politicians and advertiser belong painted with that broad brush either. But it makes a point.

[Paul F]

Jay Leno's Garage, Season 1, Episode 1. Aired on the seventh of October, 2015.

Scene - Jay visits Tim Allen in Detroit to see his car collection. Jay and Tim enter Tim's garage. They walk up to a car that looks like a Cobra.

Jay - "That's a real Cobra"
Tim - "Its a real Cobra".

[jhv48]

Originally Posted by Paul F

Jay Leno's Garage, Season 1, Episode 1. Aired on the seventh of October, 2015.

Scene - Jay visits Tim Allen in Detroit to see his car collection. Jay and Tim enter Tim's garage. They walk up to a car that looks like a Cobra.

Jay - "That's a real Cobra"
Tim - "Its a real Cobra".

Well, now that clears up everything!

[twobjshelbys]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

I bought my first Registry around 1987, I think. Long before SAAC started to allowing replicas into the Registry. My interest in Shelby and his vehicles began very early in my life.

It's unfortunate, that your interest is only in the modern replicas and not with the history of the original vehicles. Too bad, doesn't sound like your a Shelby fan. You're a "replica fan."

Not at all.

I think my interest in the originals is pretty well founded. Have you ever been to the Shelby American Collection? Lots of history there.

My point is to the viability of a new printed registry. The published registry grew from the original to add the additional Cobras and Ford GTs. It was stated at the time the desire for this (in addition to adding Kirkhams) was an attempt to corral those into their own corner and prevent cloning them into originals. This is accomplished by segregating them. (That's just what I heard here, or so my memory goes. I thought aspect is pretty successful.)

That said, subtract them out and the difference between a 1987 registry and a new 201x registry is only the published history of what happened to the original cars between 1987 and 201x. Some owners may contribute information that is not public (until it's in the registry) but from the get go most of the information is already out there, and once the registry is published, what wasn't will be. [Note: Public == Internet]

So a published registry has a pretty doubtful business plan given the cost of publishing paper vs. the free internet. And an electronic one had just as well be free.

Good luck though.

[twobjshelbys]

Originally Posted by olddog

Yes, the continuation Cobra sold by Shelby is a real Shelby Cobra, but it has little to do with the original Cobra that was sold in the 1960's.

This is so true. And anyone who has the IQ of an orange is going to do his/her homework and know the difference. Anyone who successfully passes off a CSX4000 fiberglass car as a "million dollar original cobra made in 196x (footnote 1)" is a con artist and we all know it. And so far, I see none of that happening here. With or without the registry, in the end, people who car know what is what.

1. And don't give me any crap about what the selling price of the McCluskey or new resumption cars is. They sell for market value and once again, anyone who is breathing knows what they are buying.

[Joe's Garage]

Originally Posted by twobjshelbys

...Some owners may contribute information that is not public (until it's in the registry) but from the get go most of the information is already out there, and once the registry is published, what wasn't will be ...

So for instance, the new registry will show a different owner for CSX4005LA? Good, now clean up your alias info


Cobra Make, Engine: Shelby CSX4005LA, Roush 427IR

__________________
Cheers,
Tony
CSX4005LA

[twobjshelbys]

Originally Posted by Joe's Garage

So for instance, the new registry will show a different owner for CSX4005LA? Good, now clean up your alias info


Cobra Make, Engine: Shelby CSX4005LA, Roush 427IR

__________________
Cheers,
Tony
CSX4005LA

Unlikely since it won't be included anyway. But if it is, I did report to the registrar that the car was sold. The car went to Japan through a reseller and then who knows where. It's fallen off the face of the earth. That's the other thing about the registry: The info is only as good as people are willing to share. And with the new caution about the risks of sharing info, people who shared info in the past may be less willing to do so today.

No.

Still waiting for pictures of your car though.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by twobjshelbys

This is so true. And anyone who has the IQ of an orange is going to do his/her homework and know the difference. Anyone who successfully passes off a CSX4000 fiberglass car as a "million dollar original cobra made in 196x (footnote 1)" is a con artist and we all know it. And so far, I see none of that happening here. With or without the registry, in the end, people who car know what is what.

1. And don't give me any crap about what the selling price of the McCluskey or new resumption cars is. They sell for market value and once again, anyone who is breathing knows what they are buying.

Tony: Good post, again. Unfortunately there aren't a lot of "oranges" around here.

Your posts are some of the few I bother to stop and read while skipping over on a routine basis the other flotsam and jetsam.

[Joe's Garage]

In other words, for the pedestrian who passes by that remembers the '60s Cobra but does not follow the hobby - it's ok to be a con artist that is FOS. Nicely done boys, glad to see you finally came clean or your intentions.

[twobjshelbys]

Originally Posted by Joe's Garage

In other words, for the pedestrian who passes by that remembers the '60s Cobra but does not follow the hobby - it's ok to be a con artist that is FOS. Nicely done boys, glad to see you finally came clean or your intentions.

You are assuming that anyone who owns a Cobra represents it as an original Shelby built in 1965? Sure there may be people who do that but I think you'd find that most of us tell it like it is. Noone who ever asked me left with any different impression. Well, OK, there was the drunk at the store once who I told it was a martian spacecraft.

[jhv48]

You know you're getting to "him" when he has to resort to either name calling or belittling. But then, he is the "big boy" on the playground.
Good job, guys.

[olddog]

Yes, the continuation Cobra sold by Shelby is a real Shelby Cobra, but it has little to do with the original Cobra that was sold in the 1960's. The continuation Shelby Cobra is another replica that was licensed to be sold with the Shelby name, by Mr Shelby, therefore it is a real Shelby Cobra. Make no mistake, other than the name of the man who started it all, it is still a replica.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by olddog

So Chrysler sold a Dodge Challenger in 1970. For a decade or two, no cars were sold with the Challenger name. In the mean time, Chrysler was nearly bankrupt and bailed out by the government a couple times. It was restructured and sold to the Germans for a while. Today they sell a Dodge Challenger that looks very much like the 1970 model. Even though it looks like it, I do not think they share a common dimension or part.

If anyone asked, a present day owner, "is that a real 1970 Challenger," obviously the correct answer is NO.

If anyone asked, a present day owner, "is that a real Challenger," certainly the owner could truthfully answer YES.

However to my knowledge no one is selling replicas of the 1970 Challenger. Assume there were replicas of the 1970 Challenger made by dozens of manufactures for decades, but they were still very rare to see, because the total numbers made we so few. Let's assume that the 1970 Dodge Challenger is an extremely rare highly regarded Icon, and that millions of people dream of seeing an original.

Now when a person asks "is that a real Challenger," is the missing 1970 implied? Of course the missing 1970 is implied. In this case, to answer yes may be technically correct. It may be legally correct. To answer yes without clarifying the difference is misleading. Now you can justify that by blaming the questioner for not being more specific, and it is true. They should have been more specific. However, to knowingly answer a question, in a way that causes a person to believe something that is untrue, is immoral.

It is a sleazy, underhanded, low-life thing to do. Attorneys, advertisers, and politicians (let's call them elites) practice this all the time. They spend hours trying to figure a way to wiggle and twist words to purposely dupe someone into believing an untruth. That is why normal people (the ignorant masses to the elites) hate them so much.

Yes, the continuation Cobra sold by Shelby is a real Shelby Cobra, but it has little to do with the original Cobra that was sold in the 1960's.

A new Dodge Challenger can be sold as a new complete running registerable vehicle with a new car warranty and looks much different than the original 1970 Challenger. It's not a replica. Obviously a modern Shelby Cobra replica tries to clone the original, but cannot be sold as a turnkey new vehicle. And doesn't meet Federal safety and emissions standards.

Apples and oranges. It still is a replica, the Registry refers to it as "Cobra-like" and a "true replica" and the SAAC Cobra Registar is on record saying its replica. Sell the BS elsewhere.