Fraudulent CSX 3160 for sale in L.A.

[Dangerous Doug]

Originally Posted by twobjshelbys

The chances of this being a real cobra being scammed are about as great as that of the caller being a real attorney. This has Nigeria Scam written all over it.

Really? it's a fairly large problem for rare muscle cars to be conjured out of or cloned from one of their weaker siblings, then sold as a rare muscle car to the unsuspecting buyer. Why not a Cobra?

DD

[twobjshelbys]

Originally Posted by Dangerous Doug

Really? it's a fairly large problem for rare muscle cars to be conjured out of or cloned from one of their weaker siblings, then sold as a rare muscle car to the unsuspecting buyer. Why not a Cobra?

DD

Just offering up an alternative interpretation.

Has he popped up again? No. He's already figured out that counterfeiting a Cobra is hard because there is a fair knowledge base and moved on to something else. Noone will ever hear from this guy again.

But, go ahead with the snipe hunt if you want...

[Bernica]

A guy down the street from me was "restoring" 1963 and 64 Chevy Impalas. Re-selling them or parting them out. One day several black SUV's pulled up and a bunch of cops in full tactical gear raided the place. A very nice house too with a big workshop out back. They seized everything and I haven't seen the guy since. So yes, there are all kinds out there!

[RodKnock]

I'm betting the caller has dyslexia and likely mixed the letters and numbers up.

From the info Ned has provided, and deciphering the code, I'm fairly sure it's an attorney, but I bet the Cobra is an ERA #732 and it's painted some G-d foresaken beige color.

[Nedsel]

Originally Posted by Jamo

Agreed...in California.

Sounds to me like was there to provide the information. I would hasten to say that it would be in SAAC's best interest to get more involved unless requested by the authorities, and be engulfed in some immunity.

JMHFO.

Jamo, other than posting a warning here and on the SAAC website - which makes sure the VIN comes up in a Google search - I'm not sure how to get more involved, especially as we do not know the supposed probate attorney's name or contact information.

[Bernica]

Originally Posted by Nedsel

Jamo, other than posting a warning here and on the SAAC website - which makes sure the VIN comes up in a Google search - I'm not sure how to get more involved, especially as we do not know the supposed probate attorney's name or contact information.

Nice job Ned! I'm sure if it's a "real deal" and not a scam it will surface somewhere around here! I'm in LA area and will also keep my eyes and ears open.

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

I'm betting the caller has dyslexia and likely mixed the letters and numbers up.

From the info Ned has provided, and deciphering the code, I'm fairly sure it's an attorney, but I bet the Cobra is an ERA #732 and it's painted some G-d foresaken beige color.

Now was that really necessary? You even misspelled forsaken....

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by patrickt

Now was that really necessary? You even misspelled forsaken....

Sorry, auto correct. I meant to write "foreskin beige color."

[gunkk]

heh heh

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by Nedsel

Real 1, you may misinterpret any part of my original post at your convenience. Nothing in it is hearsay. A man here in San Diego was contracted by the seller, who identified himself as a probate attorney and offered him what he claimed was CSX 3160. He did not take down the caller's name as he was not interested in the car being offered him, nor does he know why he was contacted, beyond the fact that he is a known collector. This individual went to the trouble of finding the last known owner of the car as listed in the SAAC Registry, and that is who contacted me. Which is why I posted the note above. It's that simple and straightforward.

Why thank you Ned. Yes, everything you say I interpret (not misinterpret) at my convenience. Your position on the "other issue" was noted by me to be patently bias from the outset and gee, what do you know...you were even kind enough to finally admit it after it was smoked out. Your personal views on the "other issue" moreover directly conflict with SAAC's World Registry. Apparently you have no use for the Registry definitions.

Seems there is a pattern with you. You now have your own personal definition of "hearsay" too which conflicts with the classic definition of "hearsay" in the Fed. R. Civ. Pro. which nearly every State has adopted or modeled their rules of evidence on. I have no interest or desire in educating you on this issue since apparently authoritative texts and rule books don't seem to mean much to you anyway.

Not surprising the other "legal" genius liked your post above.

As far as having nothing to go on you do know the probate attorney (or "supposed" attorney as you later stated) is in Los Angeles. Right? You are accusing people of fraud based on blatant raw hearsay regarding what the attorney then later described by you as the "supposed" attorney (oh, I'm sorry your definition of hearsay is different) then said to your friend who then said it to you and now you are saying that to us. All perfectly reliable. ....Oey.

How about contacting the authorities in Los Angeles or DMV to see if any vehicles have been transferred into the title of Estates recently? They can't pass title otherwise.

Also this "collector" or (as I am now saying) "supposed" collector,... was he called on his cell phone? If so, he didn't need to take the number down. Its likely stored on his phone's history. If on a land line, does he have a system that stores numbers? Did you ask? Further, since this "supposed" collector knew it was clearly a scam did he try and obtain any info such as the car's previous owner, whether it had clear title, in whose name it was titled at present etc... He didn't even get the attorney's name or write it down knowing it was a scam... and he's a collector???? But wait....of course, he contacts Ned the SAAC 3000 registrar to sound the alarm with no real info to relay. Yup. Makes perfect sense. Funny, the attorney didn't identify himself at all by name?. Sooo he just said , "Hi I'm a probate attorney (skip name here) as soon your collector friend answered the phone and then stated " I have an Cobra to sell, CSX 3160 for 280K with a short block Roush". That's it???? He just volunteered and blurted out this particular detailed info? This info wasn't provided by way of any questions or discussion? This detailed info was provided yet nothing else? You "collector" friend,... and just curious here.....is he routinely contacted with scams involving rare original cars? I mean is this routine for him??? Gee, if not, it would seem to me he might remember more from this discussion. $hit like that doesn't happen every day with him... does it???. Kinda stands out I would think.

Yeah, this all sounds "real" believable to me. Yup. Seems to me perhaps you were sold a bill of goods on the story.

I have no issue with posting a warning but perhaps your "alarm" should have been more "equivocal".

Further, if there is a person dumb enough to think he is buying an original Cobra for $280K with a Roush short block likely that person is clearly too dumb to do any due diligence at all so your "alarm" is not likely to reach that group of dummies.

[Jamo]

Originally Posted by Nedsel

Jamo, other than posting a warning here and on the SAAC website - which makes sure the VIN comes up in a Google search - I'm not sure how to get more involved, especially as we do not know the supposed probate attorney's name or contact information.

Ned, I couldn't have screwed up my typing worse than if I tried. Below is what my brain told my fingers to type...

Sounds to me like Ned was there to provide the information. I would hasten to say that it would not be in SAAC's best interest to get more involved unless requested by the authorities, and be engulfed in some immunity.

[Joe's Garage]

Hopefully this will be nipped in the bud early as I see the beginnings of another ...
personal playground to instigate crap and enjoy the attention "someone" is getting.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by Jamo

Ned, I couldn't have screwed up my typing worse than if I tried. Below is what my brain told my fingers to type...

Sounds to me like Ned was there to provide the information. I would hasten to say that it would not be in SAAC's best interest to get more involved unless requested by the authorities, and be engulfed in some immunity.

Seems to me SAAC is implicitly involved with the SAAC 3000 Registrar sounding the alarm of fraud on the supposed offering of this "CSX 3160" if in fact that what actually occurred during this supposed conversation with the "supposed" probate attorney and the supposed collector and not something else.

Ah, who cares I'm just misinterpreting again. Silly me.

[REAL 1]

Originally Posted by Joe's Garage

Hopefully this will be nipped in the bud early as I see the beginnings of another ...
personal playground to instigate crap and enjoy the attention "someone" is getting.

Edit.

Why yes, another insightful observation from our other legal scholar.

Not worth a response beyond this. Troll.

[Joe's Garage]

Recorded for the record.

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Why don't you go F yourself troll.

[REAL 1]

Yeah, I retracted that one after I gave it some thought but.... since you found it before I retracted it and you decided to re-post it.....by all means please go right ahead and F yourself.

[Nedsel]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Seems to me SAAC is implicitly involved with the SAAC 3000 Registrar sounding the alarm of fraud on the supposed offering of this "CSX 3160" if in fact that what actually occurred during this supposed conversation with the "supposed" probate attorney and the supposed collector and not something else.

Ah, who cares I'm just misinterpreting again. Silly me.

Looks like Evan has again determined that his moronic opinions supersede the actual business at hand. Stick your stupidity up your backside, Evan, and go take a long hike. Away from here.

[RodKnock]

Geez, Evan you are wound tighter than a sealed drum.

Your arguments in court must last weeks, nothing is ever concise with you. But it's entertaining nonetheless.

[twobjshelbys]

Good grief. I applaud the keepers of the realm from trying to protect the planet from an idiot trying to palm off a fake car to an unsuspecting person. Of course, less than .0001% of the people that even know what it means are here, so just keep on being sure you're all safe. You should really worry about the little old ladies down your street being scammed by fake roofers after your hailstorm.

This place does a lot better in helping people with blown up MSD ignition boxes.

[Joe's Garage]

What's the CC policy on harassment PMs?
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