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10-31-2015, 11:30 PM
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Oil pan studs or bolts?
I remember Barry R. saying in a post that studs don't provide enough clamping force vs bolts and will loosen over time, but that doesn't make sense to me. I like the installation advantages studs provide. Also, once you retorque them a few times to account for gasket compression, you can put another nut on them to keep the first one from loosening. Thoughts?
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11-01-2015, 04:27 AM
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I don't have much experience in that area but, I used bolts because I had them at my disposal & had bought studs where I could afford it(thought it most important). I've had the pan off a couple times & studs would have mad things a little easier
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11-01-2015, 04:44 AM
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I have always used bolts though studs would make putting the pan back on after removing it a little easier.
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11-01-2015, 05:30 AM
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I put studs in (they came with the Canton pan I bought) and the the nuts CONSTANTLY loosened up! When I stroked the motor, I replaced them with ARP bolts. No more problem.
Tim
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11-01-2015, 06:00 AM
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I used studs and 'The Right Stuff'. Once that sh** sets up, loose fasteners probably don't even matter.  |
11-01-2015, 08:43 AM
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I have pan studs on my 331 stroker. I installed them "quite snug" and then used the blue gasket, tightening the nuts appropriately. i haven't had any issues with loosening, and I like the ease of dropping and reinstalling the pan---should I need to.
Pan studs have worked fine for me.
DD
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11-01-2015, 09:45 AM
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Bolts are old school. I use.....
Studs add torque increase, easy installation and I heard better hold.
That's why they use in carbs, no?
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11-01-2015, 10:06 AM
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I've had both studs and bolts with oil pans on ally CSX FE blocks and my experience says Barry is correct. I never tried to figure out why but his conclusion makes sense to me.
Studs are easier, though. 
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11-01-2015, 11:29 AM
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Studs are without a doubt stronger than bolts (not that an oil pan needs it). Nuts backing off is another issue altogether. I like the studs. |
11-01-2015, 11:59 AM
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ARP bolts here with little issues.
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11-01-2015, 03:07 PM
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I was able to replace the pan gasket in my Kirkham with the engine in the car because I had bolts. If I had studs, it would have been very difficult.
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11-01-2015, 03:35 PM
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Studs, right stuff on gaskets, of which I use 2, moderate tension, after a couple heat cycles, go back for 2-3 odd ones that need to be snugged. You're done.
Have had zero pan drips with this system, Canton pan with windage tray.
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11-01-2015, 04:24 PM
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Studs, right stuff on gaskets, of which I use 2, moderate tension, after a couple heat cycles, go back for 2-3 odd ones that need to be snugged. You're done.
Have had zero pan drips with this system, Canton pan with windage tray.
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11-01-2015, 04:31 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 4pipes
I was able to replace the pan gasket in my Kirkham with the engine in the car because I had bolts. If I had studs, it would have been very difficult.
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Well, that's a HUGE plus for bolts.
BTW. what oil pan do you run?
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11-01-2015, 05:57 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rodneym
Well, that's a HUGE plus for bolts.
BTW. what oil pan do you run? |
Aviaid dry sump pan with external oil pump, courtesy of Pat Buckley (give credit where credit is due).
BTW, there is a step where you have to hit the starter to move the throws/counter weights out of the way. Made me nervous with no oil!
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11-01-2015, 06:02 PM
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Alright, I'm getting to old and have CRS disease. Just went out and looked.....I have friggin studs, NOT bolts! 
That's why I had to reposition the crank.
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11-01-2015, 10:13 PM
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I put Arp stainless studs and nuts on 2 weeks ago. Have had the pan off 2 times already (don't ask why) and it is easier than using bolts. It will come off again this week and I don't mind at all. The 4 corners are 5/16 studs with 3/8 12pt nuts and the rest is 1/4 studs with 5/16 12pt nuts.
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11-02-2015, 04:11 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lippy
I remember Barry R. saying in a post that studs don't provide enough clamping force vs bolts and will loosen over time, but that doesn't make sense to me. I like the installation advantages studs provide. Also, once you retorque them a few times to account for gasket compression, you can put another nut on them to keep the first one from loosening. Thoughts?
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Lippy. Why are you asking. Going to
change your pan?
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11-02-2015, 05:22 AM
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Putting studs into ali has the advantage of not wearing out or stripping the threads over time. And if you use nylock nuts then they shouldn't loosen of.
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11-02-2015, 06:09 AM
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I will chime in.
I used ARP SS studs and SS locking nuts.
One huge reason for me was I could take that tangled mess that came in the gasket box and put hole-over-stud and then drop the pan on.
I used grease on one side of the gasket and in 15 years it has NEVER leaked.
Just my $.02 worth
Tru
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