What's the deal with Slabside pricing and availability?

[desgros@vtlink.]

Interestingly the interest and prices continue to grow generation after generation. Who would have thought in 1962 that the AC Ace-Cobra would be commanding such attention.

John
ERA Slabside #3010 BRG

[peterpjb]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

I think the better question is why would you install an original "Cobra engine" in a replica?

is a csx 8000 a replica or an original?, for sure not a historic original but a modern original,

btw i would not install a historic engine into a plastic csx 8000
but a csx 8000 with historic drivetrain and aluminium body would be the most authentic slabside outside a csx 2000

[1985 CCX]

Well that question opens Pandora's box...��

Not sure an original engine means a ton with these cars. Period correct always adds $, not sure original engine means much more than 5 bolt HiPo?

Not sure plastic is best term either as they are hand laid glass and if history shows between GT40, Viper and Vettes, which were glass, never an issue in cost/value.
In GT40 world glass was the norm except for Allen Mann cars.

Hmmmmm��

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by peterpjb

is a csx 8000 a replica or an original?, for sure not a historic original but a modern original,

btw i would not install a historic engine into a plastic csx 8000
but a csx 8000 with historic drivetrain and aluminium body would be the most authentic slabside outside a csx 2000

Replica!

"Most authentic" replica?

[twobjshelbys]

Originally Posted by peterpjb

is a csx 8000 a replica or an original?, for sure not a historic original but a modern original,

btw i would not install a historic engine into a plastic csx 8000
but a csx 8000 with historic drivetrain and aluminium body would be the most authentic slabside outside a csx 2000

Would the usual suspects simply answer this newbie's question with the same explanation you would give a stranger at a gas station and not drag this into the merits discussion yet again?

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by twobjshelbys

Would the usual suspects simply answer this newbie's question with the same explanation you would give a stranger at a gas station and not drag this into the merits discussion yet again?

You can't simply answer the question, because there is more than one explanation and we all know that.

[desgros@vtlink.]

Really with what is going on in the market it is increasingly difficult to separate the old from the new, what is real or not. Sometimes the current slabside's are more authentic then the original's. Try finding two originals that are exactly the same.

Shelby often used whatever parts he had on hand in his builds.


John
ERA Slabside #3010

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by desgros@vtlink.

Really with what is going on in the market it is increasingly difficult to separate the old from the new, what is real or not. Sometimes the current slabside's are more authentic then the original's. Try finding two originals that are exactly the same.

Shelby often used whatever parts he had on hand in his builds.


John
ERA Slabside #3010

Not that difficult for me.

Old/Authentic/Original/Real/Genuine = 1960's Shelby/AC Cobra = $1,000,000 +/-

New/Replica = Any Cobra not produced in the 1960's = $100,000 +/-

You're obviously new here. We've banged this subject around for a decade plus.

[jolsen42]

I'm still trying to figure out this statement. Sort of an oxymoron.

John O

Originally Posted by desgros@vtlink.

Sometimes the current slabside's are more authentic then the original's.
John
ERA Slabside #3010

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by jolsen42

I'm still trying to figure out this statement. Sort of an oxymoron.

John O

I can't wait for the Rolex/Dodge Challenger/Van Halen/etc. analogy. It's coming. Wait for it...

[stephen_becker]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

I can't wait for the Rolex/Dodge Challenger/Van Halen/etc. analogy. It's coming. Wait for it...

So ya see Dave was in the band for many many years........& then along came Sammy

[LMH]

Originally Posted by jolsen42

I'm still trying to figure out this statement. Sort of an oxymoron.

John O

I suppose a very few replicas could be built more accurate (day one) than most originals are today. Very few originals are very original after 50+ years. The big thing is that even if CSX2XXX doesn't have much left that's original, it's still CSX2XXX. No replica is ever going to be able to top that part!
Larry

[Joe's Garage]

Originally Posted by stephen_becker

So ya see Dave was in the band for many many years........& then along came Sammy

... and then Sammy said I ain't big on practice so you boys call me when ya get a gig ... then away went Sammy

[peterpjb]

Originally Posted by twobjshelbys

Would the usual suspects simply answer this newbie's question with the same explanation you would give a stranger at a gas station and not drag this into the merits discussion yet again?

you must not be here for a decade or neither have a harvard degree to talk about that question and understand that problem

if rolex makes a new series of a 60th model it is an original rolex
if any other manufacturer makes a new series of that watch it is a replica

if shelby makes a new series of a 289 it is an original (for sure not a historic one)

i think its that simple

maybe we can philosophize about the authenticity level of the manufacturing way:

if ac heritage is hammering a new alubody on original tools at brooklands, ships that to las vegas where it is completetd by shelby with original drivetrain, that might be the most authentic way in manufacturing a continuation car

[NewYorkGuy]

^^^^^
Are You RealOne (Evan)'s son?

[peterpjb]

Originally Posted by NewYorkGuy

^^^^^
Are You RealOne (Evan)'s son?

no, just my opinion

[Blue66]

AND.... were are OFF an RUNNING !!

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by peterpjb

you must not be here for a decade or neither have a harvard degree to talk about that question and understand that problem

if rolex makes a new series of a 60th model it is an original rolex
if any other manufacturer makes a new series of that watch it is a replica

if shelby makes a new series of a 289 it is an original (for sure not a historic one)

i think its that simple

maybe we can philosophize about the authenticity level of the manufacturing way:

if ac heritage is hammering a new alubody on original tools at brooklands, ships that to las vegas where it is completetd by shelby with original drivetrain, that might be the most authentic way in manufacturing a continuation car

Here's a thread that went 64 pages and was setup as a sticky by Jamo The Moderator, but ultimately the thread was closed. I suggest you read it, because all the arguments for and against the Shelby being genuine or authentic or original have been made over and over and over again.

Why does every thread here devolve into a "Real" vs. "Replica" argument?

The new Shelby is clearly a replica in my mind and in the mind of Ned Scudder, the CSX2000 and CSX3000 Cobra Registrar for the SAAC Registry. And the value of a CSX8000 is roughly 1/10 of an original, so the market clearly sees them as replicas. The Registry refers to them as replicas and Cobra-like. The CSX4000/6000/8000 is a replica made by a company that bought out Shelby and took the company public and they have made the replicas with bodies, parts, etc. that aren't from the 1960's and that can't be sold as completed cars, since they do not meet modern safety and emission standards.

I could go on and on, but I know everyone here is tired of the discussion. Again, I'd suggest reading the recent thread that I posted above.

BTW, you quoted twobjshelbys, but I'm the one who said we've discussed this same argument for 10 years, not twobjshelbys.

[peterpjb]

sorry for quoting the wrong guy and sorry for repeating old stuff

[peterpjb]

i read that thread a bit diagonal and i understand your sensitivities, especially when the same old arguments come from a newbie.

but let me explain my newbie-status

i am not yet an owner of a cobra but i hope i will be soon (not easy to decide and not easy to find the right one)

i am involved in (european) classic cars for about 30 years and i think i know a little about that stuff.

i rebooted my special cobra interest only a few month ago, so i am far away from beeing a cobra specialist but i think i have a little overview meanwhile,

i started my cobra interest while searching for an ac ace, missed a very cool offer for a 2.6 ace ruddspeed and stated that the "normal" ace and ace bristol are quite expensive nowadays , (in 1999 i rejected an offer to change my '61 alfa giulietta spider 1/1 to an ace bristol )

beside that i am not a collector but looking for fun while driving
so i thought hardly any ac ace or 356 speedster would be more fun to drive than my giulietta because they all have quite the same power

the logical conclusion is the same drawn 50 years ago: ace with much more power = cobra

but in my opinion a cobra is a complete other thing than the most european collectables;
it is a kit car from the beginning, the cobra is not a specific car like a jaguar, ferrari, or a porsche, but it is a manufacturing-concept
that concept is even strengthened while using it since 50 years

i would never ever think about driving a porsche 356 speedster replica but i am thinking about driving a quality cobra (289) rebuilt, because its the original manufacturing-concept

i am a fan of craftsmanship and therefore i am opting for an alubody but probably i will not spend a 100 grands extra for another vinplate