What's the deal with Slabside pricing and availability?

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by peterpjb

i would never ever think about driving a porsche 356 speedster replica but i am thinking about driving a quality cobra (289) rebuilt, because its the original manufacturing-concept

i am a fan of craftsmanship and therefore i am opting for an alubody but probably i will not spend a 100 grands extra for another vinplate

I'm also a Porsche owner and I'd have no problem with driving a speedster replica. However, I'd never drive one to a PCA event. Those Porsche owners can be mean.

If you're thinking of an alloy body, then a Kirkham roller is $100,000 and the Shelby roller is $160,000. I think Evan (Real 1) posted somewhere, maybe his for sale ad, that the Shelby alloy roller is $164,000. But it's in that price range.

Everyone has their own price sensitivities and opinion about real/genuine/original/authentic/replica/reproduction/clone/tribute/etc. And whatever you buy, the choice you make will be the best Cobra for you.

[LMH]

Originally Posted by peterpjb

i read that thread a bit diagonal and i understand your sensitivities, especially when the same old arguments come from a newbie.

but let me explain my newbie-status

i am not yet an owner of a cobra but i hope i will be soon (not easy to decide and not easy to find the right one)

i am involved in (european) classic cars for about 30 years and i think i know a little about that stuff.

i rebooted my special cobra interest only a few month ago, so i am far away from beeing a cobra specialist but i think i have a little overview meanwhile,

i started my cobra interest while searching for an ac ace, missed a very cool offer for a 2.6 ace ruddspeed and stated that the "normal" ace and ace bristol are quite expensive nowadays , (in 1999 i rejected an offer to change my '61 alfa giulietta spider 1/1 to an ace bristol )

beside that i am not a collector but looking for fun while driving
so i thought hardly any ac ace or 356 speedster would be more fun to drive than my giulietta because they all have quite the same power

the logical conclusion is the same drawn 50 years ago: ace with much more power = cobra

but in my opinion a cobra is a complete other thing than the most european collectables;
it is a kit car from the beginning, the cobra is not a specific car like a jaguar, ferrari, or a porsche, but it is a manufacturing-concept
that concept is even strengthened while using it since 50 years

i would never ever think about driving a porsche 356 speedster replica but i am thinking about driving a quality cobra (289) rebuilt, because its the original manufacturing-concept

i am a fan of craftsmanship and therefore i am opting for an alubody but probably i will not spend a 100 grands extra for another vinplate

Kirkham 289 model with a differential is right about $100,000. You'll need drivetrain from there. Be forewarned, 289 stuff is very expensive and hard to come by if you're into originality.
Larry

[peterpjb]

thanks, indeed i am opting for a kirkham 289 fia, i live in germany and the registration options here are very restrictive, so i need to find a car with a german registration, the one i am opting for is complete but needs some work for looking as i imagine, but i think thats normal.....

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by LMH

Kirkham 289 model with a differential is right about $100,000. You'll need drivetrain from there. Be forewarned, 289 stuff is very expensive and hard to come by if you're into originality.
Larry

How did you get to your $100,000 price differential?

[LMH]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

How did you get to your $100,000 price differential?

I clicked on the differential option on the price list and the total showed just under $100,000 with options.
Larry

[LMH]

Originally Posted by peterpjb

thanks, indeed i am opting for a kirkham 289 fia, i live in germany and the registration options here are very restrictive, so i need to find a car with a german registration, the one i am opting for is complete but needs some work for looking as i imagine, but i think thats normal.....

That's cool! A few years ago, a friend sold his Kirkham to a buyer in Germany and the car was shipped there. After some obnoxious amount of time, the car was finally getting close to being registered. The German official who took the car for it's certification drive, stepped on the gas, lost control and wrecked the car. The frame and body both were beyond repair and a new assembly had to be ordered. I'm not sure it's finished yet!
Larry

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by LMH

I clicked on the differential option on the price list and the total showed just under $100,000 with options.
Larry

You clicked on what and where?

AFAIK, the Shelby ALLOY roller is $160,000 and the Kirkham roller is $100,000, but you would have to paint the Kirkham or brush/polish it, so you would add $15,000 to the Kirkham roller. So, that would be a $45,000 difference ($160,000-$115,000), not $100,000. And then each manufacturer has a bunch of options that you add to each price.

[LMH]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

You clicked on what and where?

AFAIK, the Shelby ALLOY roller is $160,000 and the Kirkham roller is $100,000, but you would have to paint the Kirkham or brush/polish it, so you would add $15,000 to the Kirkham roller. So, that would be a $45,000 difference ($160,000-$115,000), not $100,000. And then each manufacturer has a bunch of options that you add to each price.

The price and options list on the Kirkham site.
Larry

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by LMH

Kirkham 289 model with a differential is right about $100,000. Larry

Then can you take me through your calculations on how you arrived at a $100,000 differential? Differential between what? I don't understand.

[LMH]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Then can you take me through your calculations on how you arrived at a $100,000 differential? Differential between what? I don't understand.

It's not a $100,000 differential, it's adding the differential to the cost of the car.
You know, ring, pinion, case Etc. Go to the site and look at the price list. You'll see what I'm talking about.
Larry

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by LMH

It's not a $100,000 differential, it's adding the differential to the cost of the car.
You know, ring, pinion, case Etc. Go to the site and look at the price list. You'll see what I'm talking about.
Larry

OK, now I understand. You're not comparing the price difference between Shelby and Kirkham alloy rollers. You're saying that once you buy a roller from Kirkham, then add $100,000 for options, engine and transmission. I get it.

[LMH]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

OK, now I understand. You're not comparing the price difference between Shelby and Kirkham alloy rollers. You're saying that once you buy a roller from Kirkham, then add $100,000 for options, engine and transmission. I get it.

Partially yes. I'm not comparing the cost difference between Shelby and Kirkham, correct. I'm going down the options list on the 289 KMS roller and adding a differential to that. It came to $100,000 at the bottom.
Larry

[1985 CCX]

Also, if you buy a KMS it will have the billet style suspension (assuming buggy style) and it does not qualify for some racing sanctioning bodies. I believe European vintage racing is more restrictive than US.
That is a big $$$ add on.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by LMH

Partially yes. I'm not comparing the cost difference between Shelby and Kirkham, correct. I'm going down the options list on the 289 KMS roller and adding a differential to that. It came to $100,000 at the bottom.
Larry

Partially or completely?

I bought a new Kirkham and I didn't spend $100,000 or anywhere even approaching that amount to finish my car. But then I didn't option two roll bars, copper body, heater/AC, stainless steel frame, original suspension with billet Girlings, hardtop, etc.

[LMH]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Partially or completely?

I bought a new Kirkham and I didn't spend $100,000 or anywhere even approaching that amount to finish my car. But then I didn't option two roll bars, copper body, heater/AC, stainless steel frame, original suspension with billet Girlings, hardtop, etc.

Actually, the differential was the only thing I added a check to on the price list. All other options on the list I left as standard equipment. It came out at the bottom as $99,995.00. If I were ordering it for myself, I would have to have original style suspension, leather interior and splined hubs for wire wheels. Good thing I'm only dreaming!
Larry

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by LMH

Kirkham 289 model with a differential is right about $100,000. You'll need drivetrain from there. Larry

Now I get it.

"Price differential" versus the price "with a differential" (rear end).

[Jaydee]

That's all a matter of opinion [and crownwheel]
JD

[CompClassics]

If you think the "differential" option adds $, try adding the original style leaf spring chassis option!

[Bartruff1]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

I'm also a Porsche owner and I'd have no problem with driving a speedster replica. However, I'd never drive one to a PCA event. Those Porsche owners can be mean.

If you're thinking of an alloy body, then a Kirkham roller is $100,000 and the Shelby roller is $160,000. I think Evan (Real 1) posted somewhere, maybe his for sale ad, that the Shelby alloy roller is $164,000. But it's in that price range.

Everyone has their own price sensitivities and opinion about real/genuine/original/authentic/replica/reproduction/clone/tribute/etc. And whatever you buy, the choice you make will be the best Cobra for you.

LOL.. . I have owned a number of Porches since 1969 and currently have 3 of them, if you count a Cayman..... I also have a georgeous replica 356a JPS Coupe and I will shove a 911 out of the way to drive it.

I love to take it to Porsche events just to get their reaction.

My favorite Porsche joke is " How do you tell a porcupine from a Porsche ?

....with a porcupine, the pricks are on the outside "...

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by Bartruff1

LOL.. . I have owned a number of Porches since 1969 and currently have 3 of them, if you count a Cayman..... I also have a georgeous replica 356a JPS Coupe and I will shove a 911 out of the way to drive it.

I love to take it to Porsche events just to get their reaction.

My favorite Porsche joke is " How do you tell a porcupine from a Porsche ?

....with a porcupine, the pricks are on the outside "...

I think the "prick pool" has been diluted due to the advent of the modern water cooled Porsches like the Cayman, Cayenne, Boxster, Macan, etc.

The sales to the "soccer mom" market segment has almost sent us "pricks" in our air-cooled 911's nearly to extinction.