Evan's (REAL1) Car On The Market

[Bernica]

Old saying..."the pioneers got the first arrows".

[RodKnock]

BTW, how do you define Evan's Price?

Prior to 2/28/2016 the price was $229,000.
After 2/28/2016, the price is $249,000.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by Bernica

Old saying..."the pioneers got the first arrows".

Speaking of old sayings, bulls make money, bears make money, pigs get slaughtered.

[Bernica]

I think it's like anything else.
Price vs. demand. Then add marketing value (which he certainly did) and keep an eye on interest in the product. Like he said.."negotiable"
Good product placement is the key, I guess.

[Joe's Garage]

Originally Posted by ACademic

I'm sort of hoping that Evan gets his price. Then multiple things happen:

1. CSX 4### owners all rejoice as a new high bar is created. This is how markets work, right?
2. The Kirkham owners similarly rejoice for the same reasons. After all, they pretty much have the same car without the Shelby badges. Again, this is how markets work, correct?
3. Evan opens up a fresh bottle of 30 year malt, pours himself a glass, and then quietly tells everyone here to shove it up their a$$.

Of course the converse also holds true, if Evan doesn't sell (and it was on the market for awhile @ $229K), then -

1. No surprise to most CSX4### owners, they already knew Evan priced his car well over market value.
2. Kirkham owners could give a rat's ass, for less money they have a special 50th Anniversary CSX without the badges
3. Evan opens up a bottle of ripple, pours himself a drink in a paper cup, then screams at himself that everybody told him so and that his
head was in fact stuck up his ass

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by Bernica

Good product placement is the key, I guess.

I don't think Evan even really has "good product placement." He isn't advertising it on CobraCountry, AFAIK, like one of local Bay Area Cobra Club members is doing with his gorgeous early Kirkham:

http://www.cobracountry.com/cobra4sa...b-1180x810.jpg

Now, Dave's Kirkham has a dry sump, which I personally think is just about one of the coolest things to install in a Cobra, outside of having a SOHC engine.

Screw the badge, which is meaningless to me, but a dry sump FE engine is AWESOME.

[Bernica]

Now that's a nice car! And at 100k or so less than Evan's, you can afford lots of badges or that old bottle of malt!

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by Bernica

you can afford lots of badges or that old bottle of malt!

Like this?

[razerwire]

Would be interested to know how Dave was able to stop misting oil out of cap on fender of his Kikham at high speed and rpm. We tried to use same cap but could not stop the slight mist of oil. I think the cap is correct and looks way better that what I have. It may be that I have more back pressure because the tank has oberg filters on top of it. Probably not the right place to ask question but what the heck.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by razerwire

Would be interested to know how Dave was able to stop misting oil out of cap on fender of his Kikham at high speed and rpm. We tried to use same cap but could not stop the slight mist of oil. I think the cap is correct and looks way better that what I have. It may be that I have more back pressure because the tank has oberg filters on top of it. Probably not the right place to ask question but what the heck.

I'm not 100% sure, but we both used Stewart Hall of Hall Fabrication & Racing to build our cars. And what he did for the gas cap leakage issue was create/fabricate/install a 2nd cap that threaded underneath the exterior cap. Stewart may done the exact same thing with the dry sump tank's oil filter cap.

[4pipes]

Originally Posted by razerwire

Would be interested to know how Dave was able to stop misting oil out of cap on fender of his Kikham at high speed and rpm. We tried to use same cap but could not stop the slight mist of oil. I think the cap is correct and looks way better that what I have. It may be that I have more back pressure because the tank has oberg filters on top of it. Probably not the right place to ask question but what the heck.

I used to have oil misting behind the cap also. Installed a Peterson remote breather can and have two large hoses from the tank to the breather can. That provides a low resistance path to the atmosphere instead of forcing flow out the cap.

[razerwire]

Thank you for answers.

[Blue66]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

I don't think Evan even really has "good product placement." He isn't advertising it on CobraCountry, AFAIK, like one of local Bay Area Cobra Club members is doing with his gorgeous early Kirkham:

http://www.cobracountry.com/cobra4sa...b-1180x810.jpg

Now, Dave's Kirkham has a dry sump, which I personally think is just about one of the coolest things to install in a Cobra, outside of having a SOHC engine.

Screw the badge, which is meaningless to me, but a dry sump FE engine is AWESOME.

2 completely different cars . Again it depends what guys are looking for. As far as advertising it I sell a lot buy word of mouth. The old CSX badge was a #1 factor buying my car. Why ??? Because we have had Shelby's since 1970.. See ??? Just opinions.

[Blue66]

Originally Posted by Joe's Garage

Of course the converse also holds true, if Evan doesn't sell (and it was on the market for awhile @ $229K), then -

1. No surprise to most CSX4### owners, they already knew Evan priced his car well over market value.
2. Kirkham owners could give a rat's ass, for less money they have a special 50th Anniversary CSX without the badges
:

#1.... How do you think the Cobra market started to go crazy in 1976 ????? I could have doubled my cars price in 5 months ! As cars sold for more and more guys jumped on the band wagon. They never went back .. They created the "market value" so to speak. Evans car ?? As the expression goes there is an ass for every seat

#2.. Opinions ??? Some want em some don't.

Go Evan !!!¡ set a new price for "market value" !!

[NewYorkGuy]

Originally Posted by Blue66

2 completely different cars . Again it depends what guys are looking for. As far as advertising it I sell a lot buy word of mouth. The old CSX badge was a #1 factor buying my car. Why ??? Because we have had Shelby's since 1970.. See ??? Just opinions.

Sir,
Just curious but what was Shelby s reputation in the 60s and 70s. Was he a superstar Car giant? Were buyers leaving deposits for Cobras?
The current car generation crowd knows Shelby as a slippery, old timer pitch guy.
It s also an unfair comparison between a car guy who grew up in the 60s to a present car guy buying nostaglia.

[Blue66]

Originally Posted by NewYorkGuy

Sir,
Just curious but what was Shelby s reputation in the 60s and 70s. Was he a superstar Car giant? Were buyers leaving deposits for Cobras?
The current car generation crowd knows Shelby as a slippery, old timer pitch guy.
It s also an unfair comparison between a car guy who grew up in the 60s to a present car guy buying nostaglia.

Wow ....Sir. ???

60s good ol boy tryin to make. $$$ Mid 70s kind stayed out of the limelight... Don't think guys were leaving deposits for Cobra's. Lots were left over... That was BIG $$$$$ at that time.
.... Difference between back then an now ???? Hell ya.. Most of us worked on our own cars. Modified them an had fun. It was just a car back then.. Today ????? Just look in here
.... I firmly believe "SAAC" kept the "name" going ... Lots of earlier clubs helped to.

.... Bottom like buy what ya want an drove the hell out of it... Get tired of it ???.? SELL it !! YES as ya get older u do change. . How many guys in here have had a car for 42 YEARS ???

Now who in here knows about a 65 Griffith 200 or 400 for sale ?????.

[Joe's Garage]

This is Evan's problem ...



CSX4206 $249,000




CSX4227 $160,000

... it's not rocket science boys.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by Blue66

2 completely different cars . Again it depends what guys are looking for. See ??? Just opinions.

Yes, one is blue and one is black.

The fact that they're both alloy-bodied Cobras, both high-end builds, maintained to high standards by their owners, makes them almost EXACTLY the same in my mind.

A Shelby is a Kirkham with Shelby badge. That's a fact. No opinion.

[RodKnock]

And the fact, not opinion, that the original Shelby organization exists essentially in name only since the majority of the Shelby company was purchased by another company and then taken public makes the connection to the original Shelby American tenuous at best. That's my opinion.

[Bernica]

Yes, both are great alloy cars and quite similar except for the makeup and lipstick! And which one would you actually feel good about hopping in and driving the hell out of it as it was intended?