Evan's (REAL1) Car On The Market

[mdross1]

Originally Posted by ASO544

I'm a closet vette guy too... Had a 69 427 TriPower that I sold 5 years back. It was all matching numbers but could've use some TLC. A Dade County fireman showed up with a 10 of a blonde to pick it up. He took it for a test drive and I warned her 3 times about the side pipes. They get back and she of course burns her leg.... Bad. No doubt scared it. He still left with a big smile !!!! Lol

Great car but definitely not a C2. Enjoy my BDR way more.....and yes Evan's car is amazing!

This car is identical to one I owned back in the late 70's the side exhaust got old out on the freeway loved that car otherwise.

[trularin]

Like the 63, is it a standard split window?

I can not tell from the image.

Once in a while they roll out a vintage vette out on the lobby floor. Some look like they never were driven past the storage area. Last one was the 52.

[Rottie]

All 63 coupes left the factory as a split window. Due to the grills on the hood it would be a 63 unless someone added the grills to a 64.

[Tommy]

Yeah, that's a red 1963 SWC. I bought it in 1978 when it was just a used hotrod Corvette with a flame paint job and giant mag wheels.

[DanEC]

Originally Posted by JoeT

good for Evan and Good for the potential buyer. May he love and enjoy the car as much as Evan did.

This sort of sounds like he may have sold it.

[DanEC]

Originally Posted by Tommy

OK, I admit that the air in the tires, the gas in the tank and some other things are not as they were in 1963. But the VIN plate was placed in 1963.

Opps - there goes the Top Flight award.

[Tommy]

Originally Posted by DanEC

Opps - there goes the Top Flight award.

Not so fast. If the VIN matches the title it's a numbers matching, right?

[JoeT]

Originally Posted by DanEC

This sort of sounds like he may have sold it.

I based my comment off this post.

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Sounds like Evan may have a potential "sucker", er, I mean, buyer for his car. You know what P.T. Barnum (or whoever) once said.....

I hope the buyer purchased a large hammer so he or she won't accidentally miss their head.

[Ron61]

No, it is a numbers matching vehicle if the number on the block matches that of the car.

Ron

Originally Posted by Tommy

Not so fast. If the VIN matches the title it's a numbers matching, right?

[Tommy]

The running joke on the Corvette forum is that 36 of the original 8 Corvettes with numbers matching L88 engines are still around.

[Ron61]

Well that makes sense Tommy.

Ron

[jhv48]

Originally Posted by Ron61

No, it is a numbers matching vehicle if the number on the block matches that of the car.

Ron

Depending on the organization and the originality of the car, numbers matching can mean every part on the car is original, as delivered from the factory. However, lately, the term can be used if only the original engine is present.

1. What does "numbers matching" mean?
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To verify matching numbers on an older Corvette like this 1958, appraisers check the build date and cast date stamped on the engine. Photo courtesy of Mecum Auctions.
Written as either "numbers matching" or "matching numbers," this term signifies that the Corvette still includes original parts. The specific parts required to constitute a numbers matching Corvette can vary from one organization to another, but one item is always included: the original engine. Mecum Auctions, for example, only requires owners to verify the engine stamp in order to claim they have a numbers matching car. Before selling their Corvette at auction, owners must "typically check four numbers on the block: engine casting number, engine casting date, engine assembly data and VIN or serial derivative," says Mecum Auctions' Christine Giovingo. Once the engine has been changed -- even if the correct size was dropped back in -- Corvettes newer than 1960 can no longer claim to be numbers matching.

To verify a numbers matching car, owners check their VIN against numbers stamped on their engine and other parts. Chevrolet began stamping matching production numbers on VINs, engines and transmissions in 1960, which made this process easier. For Corvettes built before 1960 the process is less precise, with appraisers comparing the cast date and the build date on the engine with the dates on the car itself. Learn how to find out if your Corvette has matching numbers here.

Components like starters, alternators and carburetors will also match on Corvettes that are significantly original. For these parts, the stamped number won't be identical to the VIN. Instead, owners can maintain their "original" designation by replacing these parts with components that have the right number stamped on them.

[DanEC]

Originally Posted by JoeT

I based my comment off this post.

Got it - missed that.

[DanEC]

My 66 Coupe is numbers matching just as GM produced it. It left the factory with 4 tires, two seats, one motor, one transmission and one differential.

Fifty years later it still has 4 tires, two seats, one motor, one transmission and one differential.

[RodKnock]

I left the Corvette world guys. Please I'd rather be a buyer of Evan's car and have to talk to Evan about buying his car, rather than talk matching #'s.

[Joe's Garage]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

I left the Corvette world guys. Please I'd rather be a buyer of Evan's car and have to talk to Evan about buying his car, rather than talk matching #'s.

Seeing how you have lifted that rock up, what would be your counter to his $229K

[Tommy]

RodKnock,
I appreciate your frustration with the direction this thread has taken. So, I'll offer something to point it back in the original direction.

IMHO, there is a strong parallel between Real1's neverending effort to convince the world that his car was every bit as much a real Shelby Cobra as the one's built back in the 60's, and some in the Corvette world who would have you believe their car is more original than others because it has "matching numbers." There are strong indications that many "matching numbers" cars do not have all their original parts. Yet the people who want to sell them insist that a higher selling price is warranted because the numbers look right. People who buy a numbers matching car at an inflated price are then motivated to enthusiastically embrace the genuineness of their cars to protect their investment. ... Does that sound like anyone we know?

[jhv48]

Bueller, Bueller?

[Bernica]

If Evan gets into the "numbers matching game" it will either make him insane or somehow satisfy his needs to chase things down to "absolutely correct". But then where are you? Right back where you started....

[RodKnock]

I know there are some CSX continuation owners who purchased the aftermarket Shelby blocks and then had them stamped the same number as their CSX # so they could have "matching numbers." Drinking too much of the "Kool Aid"?

My '66 427 Corvette lost its original engine before I owned it, so I installed a Tremec TKO 5speed and a 540ci engine with a Dart block, IIRC. So matching alternators, starters, tranny, engine, hose clamps, radiators, etc. did not matter one iota to me. And I'm sure that's why the CSX plaque on a Kirkham body matters NOT to me.

I'm thinking Evan's CSX4206 is about a $175,000-$180,000 car or roughly a $20,000-$25,000 premium over Vern's CSX that was asking $160,000. And I'm giving the black paint of Evan's car extra value. But while I love black Cobras, I personally prefer alloy Cobras to be "bare naked." Why not show off that gorgeous body?