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Originally Posted by Ron61

Joyridin,

I am not trying to start anything just asking a question, so please don't a bunch jump in with opinions. How do you get a 2000 car that you don't have to have pass emissions? Out here we have to have them checked every other year if they are 1975 or newer and any changes they will fail even if they meet the tailpipe requirements. On the other hand, the cars that are changed over for racing can't be registered or driven on the street. A chrome aftermarket air cleaner can cause you to be failed it the referee is in a bad mood.

Ron

Has a lot to do with the CALIFORNIA in your zipcode. In a State like Vermont they just check to make sure your car is roadworthy. & they do it yearly. Talk about a scam.... Still not as bad as CA, though.

[twobjshelbys]

Originally Posted by LMH

Anyone who thinks these new regulations won't effect a hobby like ours because they don't race their cars should read this article:
EPA's Real Target: The Automotive Aftermarket - Motor Trend
Larry

This is what I was referring to earlier. They have been going on about the aftermarket modifications, e.g., Superchargers, CAI, anything that requires a tune, for a couple of years. But it wasn't EPA, it was the manufacturers. or perhaps the manufactures justified their endorsement by blaming the EPA so they aren't the bad guys. The justification is that it changes the engine control unit so there is increased risk of the manufacturer getting sued.

[joyridin']

Originally Posted by Ron61

Joyridin,

I am not trying to start anything just asking a question, so please don't a bunch jump in with opinions. How do you get a 2000 car that you don't have to have pass emissions? Out here we have to have them checked every other year if they are 1975 or newer and any changes they will fail even if they meet the tailpipe requirements. On the other hand, the cars that are changed over for racing can't be registered or driven on the street. A chrome aftermarket air cleaner can cause you to be failed it the referee is in a bad mood.

Ron

My car came from California originally and had SB100 certification. That being said, you can buy Collectors plates that avoid all emissions testing. It is still illegal to remove emissions equipment, but they do not check. When I bought my plates, you just sent a picture to the BMV and they would decide whether it was worthy or not. Now, you have to have receipts stating you spent $5000 or more modifying the car to get Collectors plates. If the car is more than 25 years old, you can get Historical Vehicle plates that are good for 35 years and cost about $35. Then you are exempt from everything but insurance, although you are only suppose to drive the car 1000 miles to less and it cannot be a daily driver. You can even take 1965 license plates and use those as the Historical Plates.

[joyridin']

Originally Posted by CHANMADD

If they pass what they want ....no one will be modifying any race car engines. You will be racing factory sealed smog legal with cats or you will not get on the track...that's what I read.....

My point was people are modifying everything now and these are not race cars at all. I thought they were just trying to attack the weekend racer that drives his car to work Monday through Friday with no cats, killer cam, and all the other goodies.

>>>Yep......and this "natural"gas you just stick a pipe in the ground for.......straight destroys the underground water and not to mention how destabilizing it is for the earths surface........that's the part we live on.
.Every where there is fracking......the locals have to move ........or die........lovely....
Politicians at their best.......!! <<<

Oh come on! Just because Oklahoma now has more earthquakes than California means nothing! I am not worried about the fracking, I am worried about the injection wells where they pump in all the crap left over. A LOT less is being said about this upcoming nightmare than the actual fracking!

>>>Tree huggers don't think further than the hug.......<<<

My guess would be the NIMBY crowd that wants everything for the cheapest price possible. They ***** about losing jobs to China, then run to WalMart to buy everything.

[DanEC]

Originally Posted by Ron61

Joyridin,

I am not trying to start anything just asking a question, so please don't a bunch jump in with opinions. How do you get a 2000 car that you don't have to have pass emissions? Out here we have to have them checked every other year if they are 1975 or newer and any changes they will fail even if they meet the tailpipe requirements. On the other hand, the cars that are changed over for racing can't be registered or driven on the street. A chrome aftermarket air cleaner can cause you to be failed it the referee is in a bad mood.

Ron

Ron - that's one of the consequences of this pending EPA rule that will probably end the great little deal we have going for us in Arkansas right now. We don't have emissions testing or safety inspections for any year vehicles - they were abolished by Huckabee back around 2000 as a waste and scam industry by the stations doing the checks. Collector vehicles over 25 years old can purchase a one-time plate for about $12 which never has to be re-newed. So basically we are just left alone.

I know in this day and age this leniency almost seems decadent but it's such a relief to not have to take my vehicles down every year and hand it over to some greasy mechanic or kid to screw around with that I don't think I could go back - I would just have to sell out.

I still remember when every year I would go in for a safety inspection and this inspector would every year tell me my head lights were out of adjustment and he would have to adjust them for an extra charge and the next evening I would find them pointing up in trees and in on-coming drivers windshields. So, I would go home and re-adjust them on the garage door - only to have to go through the same thing the following year again.

[Ron61]

I have a 1969 NASCAR Cobra that has had Historical Plates on it for many years and nothing was changed to get them. My Coupe is under the SB-100, but they are trying to get rid of that in several ways. I have a 3,000 mile per year limit on my Historical Plates, but I never get close to that as I have to run Racing Gas in the car and also it still has the original Polyglass tires on it from 1969 and I don't like to drive on them a lot.

Ron

Originally Posted by joyridin'

My car came from California originally and had SB100 certification. That being said, you can buy Collectors plates that avoid all emissions testing. It is still illegal to remove emissions equipment, but they do not check. When I bought my plates, you just sent a picture to the BMV and they would decide whether it was worthy or not. Now, you have to have receipts stating you spent $5000 or more modifying the car to get Collectors plates. If the car is more than 25 years old, you can get Historical Vehicle plates that are good for 35 years and cost about $35. Then you are exempt from everything but insurance, although you are only suppose to drive the car 1000 miles to less and it cannot be a daily driver. You can even take 1965 license plates and use those as the Historical Plates.

[Ron61]

Dan,

That is what my cousin up in Omaha has told me. That crap is just a rip off out here too as they let the big companies just keep dumping stuff into the air. This state is not anything like the state that I knew from 50 years ago. If I wasn't so old and my health so bad I would really be looking to move out of here.

Ron

Originally Posted by DanEC

Ron - that's one of the consequences of this pending EPA rule that will probably end the great little deal we have going for us in Arkansas right now. We don't have emissions testing or safety inspections for any year vehicles - they were abolished by Huckabee back around 2000 as a waste and scam industry by the stations doing the checks. Collector vehicles over 25 years old can purchase a one-time plate for about $12 which never has to be re-newed. So basically we are just left alone.

I know in this day and age this leniency almost seems decadent but it's such a relief to not have to take my vehicles down every year and hand it over to some greasy mechanic or kid to screw around with that I don't think I could go back - I would just have to sell out.

I still remember when every year I would go in for a safety inspection and this inspector would every year tell me my head lights were out of adjustment and he would have to adjust them for an extra charge and the next evening I would find them pointing up in trees and in on-coming drivers windshields. So, I would go home and re-adjust them on the garage door - only to have to go through the same thing the following year again.

[kevins2]

It really is a rip-off. I got a coupon from a Nissan dealership a few months ago for a "free" safety inspection - just pay for the emissions inspection (both are required annually). The service adviser said I needed new rear brake pads. I declined since I do that myself. Went to the store and bought new pads and when I removed the first wheel, saw that I still had at least 75% left. The fronts were new, but I checked them anyway - good all around. Now I know why the adviser was trying to talk me into it saying I'd ruin the disks in short order - he knew I'd find out it was BS that I even needed pads. I'm sure there are endless similar stories out there...

[DanEC]

Originally Posted by kevins2

It really is a rip-off. I got a coupon from a Nissan dealership a few months ago for a "free" safety inspection - just pay for the emissions inspection (both are required annually). The service adviser said I needed new rear brake pads. I declined since I do that myself. Went to the store and bought new pads and when I removed the first wheel, saw that I still had at least 75% left. The fronts were new, but I checked them anyway - good all around. Now I know why the adviser was trying to talk me into it saying I'd ruin the disks in short order - he knew I'd find out it was BS that I even needed pads. I'm sure there are endless similar stories out there...

Kevin - Consumer Reports published a story last month about the widespread fraud in the dealer service industry - your story was pretty much one of them they reported on. I do my best to stay away from dealer service departments.

[DanEC]

Least anyone forget this looming, potential nightmare to our Hobby - if you haven't signed the White House petition or written your Congressman concerning this EPA rule that is being written in final form - please do so now. Be the squeaky wheel.

[Bernica]

Originally Posted by Danr55

anybody ever heard of an outfit called the Sierra Club? They are a bunch of Eco-nazis who support the EPA. This sounds like something they would propose.

The Sierra Club almost killed me and many others in a motorcycle desert race years ago. They put railroad ties and other obstructions where we couldn't see them until too late. I have no love for them.