1965 427 s/c Factory Five on eBay

[jacobsed]

You guys think it looks bad in the pics? You should have seen it in person! So bad!

Originally Posted by mrmustang

An interesting side note on this particular car, Vanguard did not sell the car on Ebay, as the last auction they had on this car (CLICK HERE) the car was only bid up to $33,601.50, with the reserve not met. This was on May 19, 2014 .

Bill S.

[jacobsed]

Honestly the guy in the vids was cool in person. The vids are cheesy though.

Originally Posted by Bernica

Would you buy a car from that schmuck?
Sorry, I tried to watch the video but had to hurl!
I can't stand a sales pitch or salesman like that. Maybe just me, but I doubt it.
Actually pretty funny just to watch him try to hock his wares...

[Bernica]

Originally Posted by mrmustang

An interesting side note on this particular car, Vanguard did not sell the car on Ebay, as the last auction they had on this car (CLICK HERE) the car was only bid up to $33,601.50, with the reserve not met. This was on May 19, 2014 .

Bill S.

Right on the high end of my target! Should have taken the bid IMHO!!

[Joe's Garage]

I would say we have came full circle - the car has been trashed, the broker has been trashed, and now the owner has been trashed.

All because the car is priced a little too high in most people's minds (including mine). But it does show the type of person involved in this hobby, and you wonder why the general public makes a strong distinction between owners of originals vs. owners of a "cheap kit car replicas"? It's all in how you carry yourself, sh!ting on people begets being sh!t on.

[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by Joe's Garage

I would say we have came full circle - the car has been trashed, the broker has been trashed, and now the owner has been trashed.

All because the car is priced a little too high in most people's minds (including mine). But it does show the type of person involved in this hobby, and you wonder why the general public makes a strong distinction between owners of originals vs. owners of a "cheap kit car replicas"? It's all in how you carry yourself, sh!ting on people begets being sh!t on.

I don't think the owner or the broker have been trashed by having an honest discussion of the car as it is presented. Although, both need to do their homework and know exactly what they have on their hands.

As for the car, it's been judged on it's own merits, and been found lacking in quality vs it's asking price vs the rest of the market.

Bill S.

PS: Doing a search of the forum will show that I've had some of my personal FFR's picked apart when they came up on the market. I don't look at it has a negative, as it viewed every comment and tweaked the car accordingly until it was of sufficient quality to sell for what I wanted.

[mikeinatlanta]

Originally Posted by Joe's Garage

I would say we have came full circle - the car has been trashed, the broker has been trashed, and now the owner has been trashed.

All because the car is priced a little too high in most people's minds (including mine). But it does show the type of person involved in this hobby, and you wonder why the general public makes a strong distinction between owners of originals vs. owners of a "cheap kit car replicas"? It's all in how you carry yourself, sh!ting on people begets being sh!t on.

Interesting post. When first reading I admit to a pretty negative reaction, however, I agree that nothing here gives cause to disparage the owner, current seller, or vanguard.

However, wouldn't you concede that the text of the original listing, combined with posting said listing on a discussion forum invited people to look closer that they would normally? Who wouldn't reasonably expect a careful look when posting for discussion at a place frequented by experts (not me) with which he may have had prior conflict?

The reality is the people find a conflict interesting and when thousands of intelligent people see reason to look closer, they soon notice other things. In this case they have noticed some potentially serious issues that any potential buyer needs to be aware of. If I were the owner or seller, I'd be saying thank you, pull the car, and work to quickly resolve issues prior to putting back on the market. We can only hope that the owner and seller see the positives in what they have learned rather than getting angry.

I do think you are off base on the whole real vs replica thing. It's its own animal and has nothing to do with this.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by Joe's Garage

I would say we have came full circle - the car has been trashed, the broker has been trashed, and now the owner has been trashed.

All because the car is priced a little too high in most people's minds (including mine). But it does show the type of person involved in this hobby, and you wonder why the general public makes a strong distinction between owners of originals vs. owners of a "cheap kit car replicas"? It's all in how you carry yourself, sh!ting on people begets being sh!t on.

I read Joe's post and didn't quite understand the point of it.

If it's true that using a 1965 Ford Mustang VIN on a modern FFR replica and registering it is illegal, then isn't this really warning a potential buyer (aka Consumer Watch)? This is "All Cobra Talk" not the seller's actual advertisement. And we're discussing a car for sale.

And I totally agree with Mike, WTF does this have to do with original versus replica owners? Where's the connection? Connect the dots for us. BTW, you don't think an original 1960's Cobra, and the seller/owner, wouldn't be critiqued both on the merit of the car and its seller? As an example, there are some questionable original Cobras that have been critiqued here too. The one that comes quickly to mind was CSX3016 (one of them, at least I think) that was sold by Exotic Classics out of Syosset, NY about 3 years ago.

CSX3016 for sale through Exotic Classics, Syosset NY


"General public"? Well, the "general public" thinks my car is Corvette/Jaguar/MG. Why do I car what they think about my Cobra? I'm not buying what you're selling.

[Bernica]

IMHO, this is an open forum called "All Cobra Talk" where we all share observations, opinions and advice. If the seller didn't want that, then should have just posted the car in the classifieds section. Not that that would have eliminated all of the critique, but would have avoided a lot of it.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by Bernica

IMHO, this is an open forum called "All Cobra Talk" where we all share observations, opinions and advice. If the seller didn't want that, then should have just posted the car in the classifieds section. Not that that would have eliminated all of the critique, but would have avoided a lot of it.

IMO, it's bad form to comment in a seller's classified ad. One of the Porsche forums allows this and sometimes it turns into a crazy free-for-all. What really irks me is that some people get upset at asking prices, if they perceive them to be too high, well above market. Sellers can ask any price they want, the market will speak. And, of course, with Porsches, there's been a rising market for several years. But all this price discussion is done in the seller's ad, which I think is inappropriate.

However, if someone wants to start a thread on a car in a discussion area, then what's wrong with a discussion?

[NewYorkGuy]

funny how the regular know-it-all's here speak for the cobra community.

the price of the car is the price. take it, make offer, or skip. it does feel people here have personal agendas. egos.

the same people who mocked Evan's cobra CXS4206 asking price $240K++ for a kit car.

Y'all big boys with big wallets. who really cares what Mr Becker is asking for the FFR cobra. It's not your car or your money.

[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by NewYorkGuy

It's not your car or your money.

Ah yes, but it could be, and that is why it is being discussed, which is one of the main reasons why this forum, and this particular sub forum was started in the first place.


Bill S.

[Bernica]

[quote=NewYorkGuy;1395931]funny how the regular know-it-all's here speak for the cobra community.
/QUOTE]

Well, that one went right over your head!
Read above more carefully. I don't think anyone really cares what Mr Becker is asking for or actually gets for the car. Mr Becker is the OP here. It was posted for discussion and that's what we are doing and what we do as part of the Cobra community (not just here).

And let's just leave Evan out of this...old news and he is in the wind...

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by NewYorkGuy

funny how the regular know-it-all's here speak for the cobra community.

Yes, thank you, I speak for the entire Cobra Community. And you're a putz.

[Joe's Garage]

Anyone who believes Mr. Becker posted this car here for "discussion" is spinning it to suit their own ends.

Originally Posted by stephen_becker

Real 427 side-oiler motor -

Shelby Cobra 427 s C Shelby | eBay

Clearly he was letting people know there was an FFR with 427 side-oiler for sale and nothing more. Agreed, it was the "wrong forum" for that - as was quickly stated early on, but that does not change the intent of the post. This thread is a good example of mob mentality, it only took one and then the pile on was underway.

[Bernica]

Mr Becker is a respected member here and is no "newbie". I want to think that he posted on "All Cobra Talk" for a reason, but that's just me.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by Joe's Garage

Anyone who believes Mr. Becker posted this car here for "discussion" is spinning it to suit their own ends.



Clearly he was letting people know there was an FFR with 427 side-oiler for sale and nothing more. Agreed, it was the "wrong forum" for that - as was quickly stated early on, but that does not change the intent of the post. This thread is a good example of mob mentality, it only took one and then the pile on was underway.

First, there's some valuable information discussed here in this thread for any potential buyer considering this FFR. Paint, VIN, fuel line and yoke issues, IIRC.

Second, isn't it nice that you an express an opinion (not held by me) in an Internet discussion forum?

And, at least you dropped that whole "original vs. replica" tangent. Not sure where you were going with that line of thinking.

[twobjshelbys]

There's a lot of misinformation here too.

The VIN is correct. Do your homework.

[Bernica]

Originally Posted by twobjshelbys

There's a lot of misinformation here too.

The VIN is correct. Do your homework.

Please explain. Maybe we all missed something. Wouldn't be the first time!

[Joe's Garage]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

... at least you dropped that whole "original vs. replica" tangent. Not sure where you were going with that line of thinking.

The post stands as written, if you don't get it I'm not going to explain it to you.
Let's see if the poster who called the car out on that VIN defends his position, sometimes being a follower and jumping on the band wagon isn't such a good idea

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by twobjshelbys

There's a lot of misinformation here too.

The VIN is correct. Do your homework.

Instead of the usual drive-by and telling everyone that they're wrong, without any details, yes, please explain the misinformation and the VIN.

How does the VIN of a 1965 Mustang legally used on an FFR? Inquiring minds want to know.