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peterpjb 07-23-2016 03:50 AM

289 fia rollbar height with hardtop
 
as far i can recognize every car has a different rollbar height,

it differs approximately between 28 cm (11") and 38 cm (15") on my car, (body to top in the middle)
to fit the rollbar under a lemans hardtop the maximum is around 30 cm 11"-12",

some lemans hardtop are equipped with a bubble to give space for the higher rollbar,

so i have two possibilitys:

- shorten the rollbar (easier, looking better)

- add a bubble to the hardtop (not so easy, safer(?), looking(?))

what do you think are pros and cons ?

http://oi63.tinypic.com/jtp0rb.jpg

http://oi63.tinypic.com/2d1me76.jpg

Blas 07-23-2016 04:44 AM

If the roll bar (hoop) is to be functional it must project above the drivers head or helmet. (Something like 2" I believe) if it is too short, your head becomes the safety hoop. Modifying the bar height also requires modifying the forward brace length and angle. I believe the "Gurney Bubble" in your photo is more related to the helmet of the driver not limited by the roof height. There is another design for the rollbar. If I can find my photo I'll send it to you if you email me. I think there is a hardtop in in design for your car.
Blas

peterpjb 07-23-2016 05:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blas (Post 1399806)
If the roll bar (hoop) is to be functional it must project above the drivers head or helmet. (Something like 2" I believe) if it is too short, your head becomes the safety hoop. Modifying the bar height also requires modifying the forward brace length and angle. I believe the "Gurney Bubble" in your photo is more related to the helmet of the driver not limited by the roof height. There is another design for the rollbar. If I can find my photo I'll send it to you if you email me. I think there is a hardtop in in design for your car.
Blas

the hardtop has its highest point above the driver,
depends also if riding on normal street seats or racing seats, the racing seats maybe 3 or 4 " lower...

G-Pete 07-23-2016 06:38 AM

3 inches more or less make NO significant difference in case of a roll.


http://photos.imageevent.com/germanp...r%20shelby.jpg

G-Pete 07-23-2016 06:45 AM

You hit the head - so or so - without a full cage.

The funny part is, that the guys with these high (ugly) roll bar hoops do NOT strap them in the car.
What I mean strap down, not just have the harness lay on you. As long you can move forward, the same movement will be vertical in a roll accident.

BTW, this is how it looks like when you roll and land upside down off-road. Yep, the 3 inches made a big difference.>>>>


https://i.ytimg.com/vi/FmvEXf1XL_8/maxresdefault.jpg

Blas 07-23-2016 09:36 AM

"...Do you want to live forever?" - Conan The Barbarian

peterpjb 07-24-2016 02:15 PM

for sure not!

another question: rollbar chrome or black?

CompClassics 07-24-2016 09:46 PM

That would depend on what you are trying to do with the Cobra, 1964 1965 FIA team cars are black, depending on which USRRC Cobra it could have been chrome or black.

DanEC 07-25-2016 03:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by G-Pete (Post 1399819)
You hit the head - so or so - without a full cage.

The funny part is, that the guys with these high (ugly) roll bar hoops do NOT strap them in the car.
What I mean strap down, not just have the harness lay on you. As long you can move forward, the same movement will be vertical in a roll accident.

BTW, this is how it looks like when you roll and land upside down off-road. Yep, the 3 inches made a big difference.>>>>


https://i.ytimg.com/vi/FmvEXf1XL_8/maxresdefault.jpg

What's the story on this? Looks to be a CSX car or Kirkham from what I see.

G-Pete 07-25-2016 12:36 PM

Back in 2010, a rally over 5 days from Brooklands UK to Monte Carlo FR. It was an 2008 Kirkham.

G-Pete 07-25-2016 12:42 PM

Here is a good example (actually BAD) for too lose harness and roll bar mount attachment points.

In the slowmo you clearly see how far the pilot get 'ejected'. Thank god he got only his ego bruised.


[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQkqkOwuqac"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQkqkOwuqac[/ame]


:eek:

db replicas 07-26-2016 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by G-Pete (Post 1400084)
Back in 2010, a rally over 5 days from Brooklands UK to Monte Carlo FR. It was an 2008 Kirkham.


I heard it was an AC Mk4.
Tie down hoops under the rear end and the front outrigger is not as Mk3. ;)


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