Club Cobra Gas-N Exhaust  

Go Back   Club Cobra > Cobra Talk Areas > ALL COBRA TALK

Nevada Classics
Main Menu
Module Jump:
Nevada Classics
Nevada Classics
Keith Craft Racing
Advertise at CC
Banner Ad Rates
MMG Superformance
MMG Superformance
Keith Craft Racing
April 2025
S M T W T F S
    1 2 3 4 5
6 7 8 9 10 11 12
13 14 15 16 17 18 19
20 21 22 23 24 25 26
27 28 29 30      

Kirkham Motorsports

Like Tree34Likes

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 10-20-2016, 03:20 PM
LMH's Avatar
LMH LMH is offline
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Tucson, AZ
Cobra Make, Engine:
Posts: 5,391
Not Ranked     
Default

As far as I know, (which I'm not a Kirkham expert by any means!) David Kirkham set up the body/frame works in Poland to make his Cobra body. There was no existing coachworks for a Cobra replica prior to David setting it up.
Now if you wanted a MIG fighter knock-off, they could help you with that!
Larry
__________________
Alba gu bràth
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 10-20-2016, 03:37 PM
RodKnock's Avatar
Senior Club Cobra Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Cobra Make, Engine: KMP 539, a Ton of Aluminum
Posts: 9,592
Not Ranked     
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by LMH View Post
As far as I know, (which I'm not a Kirkham expert by any means!) David Kirkham set up the body/frame works in Poland to make his Cobra body. There was no existing coachworks for a Cobra replica prior to David setting it up.
Now if you wanted a MIG fighter knock-off, they could help you with that!
Larry
If we're floating theories here, then I don't think the entire body was actually made in Poland. I think the doors, hood and trunk, among other parts, were made in Utah.
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 10-20-2016, 03:41 PM
1ntCobra's Avatar
Abnormal CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Pottstown (East Coventry), PA
Cobra Make, Engine: Don't think I'll be getting a Cobra for a long time... Do have '94 RX-7 R2.
Posts: 2,331
Not Ranked     
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by LMH View Post
As far as I know, (which I'm not a Kirkham expert by any means!) David Kirkham set up the body/frame works in Poland to make his Cobra body. There was no existing coachworks for a Cobra replica prior to David setting it up.
Now if you wanted a MIG fighter knock-off, they could help you with that!
Larry
I don't disagree with your statement. However, David dealt with Polish companies called Geppard and ZKA before buying the Polish factory.

The registry mentioned that Geppard also made a Morgan-like sports car. I don't think David was buying the Morgan replicas, so Geppard/ZKA already had a way of selling non-Cobra replicas to people. Is it possible that Geppard or ZKA could have sold Cobra bodies and frames to people other than the Kirkhams? I don't know, that is Dugly's theory, not mine.
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 10-22-2016, 12:00 PM
YerDugliness's Avatar
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: No city...only 118 residents in Manter, KS
Cobra Make, Engine: Cobra Auto Works body, Ron Godell Racecars chassis, 1989 Mustang GT 5.0 HO (converted to carb), W/C T-5, 3.73's in a Ford 9" Traction-Loc.
Posts: 812
Not Ranked     
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 1ntCobra View Post
I don't disagree with your statement. However, David dealt with Polish companies called Geppard and ZKA before buying the Polish factory.

The registry mentioned that Geppard also made a Morgan-like sports car. I don't think David was buying the Morgan replicas, so Geppard/ZKA already had a way of selling non-Cobra replicas to people. Is it possible that Geppard or ZKA could have sold Cobra bodies and frames to people other than the Kirkhams? I don't know, that is Dugly's theory, not mine.
Yes, it is! Perhaps a bit of sequential speculation:

1.) The story on the Kirkham website clearly says Kirkham went to Poland to see the factory...since that same factory is still producing for Kirkham, it's reasonable to believe Kirkham liked what he saw.

2.) Kirkham takes the body bucks for their product to Poland and sets them up, perhaps trains some of the workers, and comes home to concentrate on things here. Essentially, at that point he is just purchasing labor from the Polish company...it makes sense that the raw materials would have been sourced from Europe...so the factory now has not only the body bucks but also the materials to do as Kirkham wants. The only problem could be that Kirkham failed to take whatever measures would be necessary to ensure exclusive delivery of bodies/frames to him as a singular purchaser.

3.) Realizing that there were no prohibitions against selling to other than just Kirkham, the Polish factory takes advantage of the situation and produces "bandit" bodies/frames for a few private parties. Kirkham finds out about it and proceeds to protect their proprietary position by buying the factory and putting in place personnel and prohibitions against selling to anyone else. Problem solved?

Perhaps...makes sense to me, but IF (and "they" say "IF" is the biggest word in the English language!!) it happened that way, what about those early bodies/frames that were built and sold "under the table", so to speak? They could certainly not have been sold with any form of MSO...explaining that issue, too.

I looked at the photos of those Kirkham body bucks briefly...I always envision body bucks being wooden "forms", so to speak, but those look very much like pipe. Could the "bulky" margins of the fishmouth be an early effort to form that opening, perhaps so unsuccesful that the body might have been sold as a "factory second"...all of this unbeknownst to the Kirkhams?

I know, guys...it's ALL speculation, but it just seems reasonable to me and unless the Kirkhams chime in and clear up this case speculation is all we have.

Cheers!!!

Dugly
__________________
YD,E./PNB

No names were changed to protect the innocent!
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 04:22 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.6.0
The representations expressed are the representations and opinions of the clubcobra.com forum members and do not necessarily reflect the opinions and viewpoints of the site owners, moderators, Shelby American, any other replica manufacturer, Ford Motor Company. This website has been planned and developed by clubcobra.com and its forum members and should not be construed as being endorsed by Ford Motor Company, or Shelby American or any other manufacturer unless expressly noted by that entity. "Cobra" and the Cobra logo are registered trademarks for Ford Motor Co., Inc. clubcobra.com forum members agree not to post any copyrighted material unless the copyrighted material is owned by you. Although we do not and cannot review the messages posted and are not responsible for the content of any of these messages, we reserve the right to delete any message for any reason whatsoever. You remain solely responsible for the content of your messages, and you agree to indemnify and hold us harmless with respect to any claim based upon transmission of your message(s). Thank you for visiting clubcobra.com. For full policy documentation refer to the following link: CC Policy
Links monetized by VigLink