This is just for you, RodKnock....

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by patrickt

In my life, I have blindly stumbled in to success far more often than having cleverly earned it.

Or the simpler version: "Better to be lucky than smart."

You were neither lucky nor smart when you picked beige for a Cobra color. Or a wheel color for that matter.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by moore_rb

Whether you're a pro dart player or not, a bullseye is a bullseye....

I almost purchased a set of real magnesium Cobra II wheels many years ago. I know what they look like brand new. And they don't look anything like the hot rod wheels you posted.

Oy vey. At least pick a Cobra wheel to refute my post.

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

I almost purchased a set of real magnesium Cobra II wheels many years ago.

I remember that. You know, if you had bought those wheels, the salt air would have eaten them away by now anyway.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by patrickt

I remember that. You know, if you had bought those wheels, the salt air would have eaten them away by now anyway.

That salt air in my dehumidified garage 30 mins from the beach?

I'm glad I passed on them. Per rodneym, they wouldn't have fit on my Kirkham anyway. Rodney bought the Vintage Wheels' replicas, and yes, they do look very much like the brand new real magnesium Halibrand Cobra II's, and I'm thinking of buying a set too.

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

...and I'm thinking of buying a set too.

He who hesitates is lost. Pry that checkbook out of your murse and get a set.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by moore_rb

but another point that I agree with Patrick on, is that the blue-gray color of the center spokes of Trigo wheels looks nothing like ANY shade of gray that you would ever see on a genuine Magnesium Halibrand...

Originally Posted by patrickt

From a distance, and with pad dust on them, they will pass for magnesium. The original color finish for Trigos basically just sucks.

Actually that's not what Patrick said. He said the Trigo color sucks, nothing to do with their similarity to magnesium in terms of appearance.

Personally, I think the Trigo color is fine. And I think Patrick's color is "six of one half dozen of the other." As I said above, I might get a set of the Vintage Wheels' version since they're close to real Halibrands.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by patrickt

He who hesitates is lost. Pry that checkbook out of your murse and get a set.

Wheels schmeels. For all the driving I do, the Trigos work fine.

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Wheels schmeels. For all the driving I do, the Trigos work fine.

If Trigo sold their wheels with a powder coating of the purchaser's choice, would you have chosen a different hue?

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by patrickt

If Trigo sold their wheels with a powder coating of the purchaser's choice, would you have chosen a different hue?

Ooh hypotheticals. I love hypotheticals. Yes, if the color looked like the gold Dow7 appearance on the Vintage Wheels and real mags, sure, I would have chosen that color. Otherwise, the Trigo color is fine

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Ooh hypotheticals. I love hypotheticals. Yes, if the color looked like the gold Dow7 appearance on the Vintage Wheels and real mags, sure, I would have chosen that color. Otherwise, the Trigo color is fine

I think a lot of people would choose that color. You know, there is no shortage of places that will powder coat you with a custom color of your choosing -- just Google it. They'll match any sample color you send them.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by patrickt

I think a lot of people would choose that color. You know, there is no shortage of places that will powder coat you with a custom color of your choosing -- just Google it. They'll match any sample color you send them.

Ya, I know. And it's a lot of work. Just too busy. And it's "The Open."

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Ya, I know. And it's a lot of work. Just too busy. And it's "The Open."

Considering they're PCing now with battleship grey, I have no idea why Trigo doesn't offer custom PCing for a reasonable fee.

[moore_rb]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

I almost purchased a set of real magnesium Cobra II wheels many years ago. I know what they look like brand new. And they don't look anything like the hot rod wheels you posted.

Oy vey. At least pick a Cobra wheel to refute my post.

Why?, because magnesium cobra-style wheels are somehow different than other magnesium wheels...? They don't oxidize the same way as other mag wheels do over time?

I suppose being on a Cobra makes them *magic*...

[moore_rb]

Originally Posted by peterpjb

a magnesium wheel is a real magnesium wheel even when it is produced in 2017 and a magnesium lookalike coated wheel is a magnesium fake wheel even when it was produced in 1965..

the fact that most cars don't have a sixties vin isn't any excuse to fake anything on the cars...

just my 2¢

I'm all for originality, but not when it entails prohibitive cost.

Besides the rapid rate of corrosion, Magnesium wheels also have another detractor versus aluminum wheels- They are more brittle, and more likely to crack or break when hitting a curb, etc...

Not to mention the possibility of them going up in flames (and taking the car with them) if you should suffer a blowout at highway speed, and the wheel starts sparking against the pavement...

Just like 5-lug hubs are statistically safer than knockoffs for guys who drive real highway miles on their cars, so too are aluminum wheels statistically better than magnesium.

just my 2 cents

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by moore_rb

Why?, because magnesium cobra-style wheels are somehow different than other magnesium wheels...? They don't oxidize the same way as other mag wheels do over time?

I suppose being on a Cobra makes them *magic*...

You don't get IT. You gave me a hard time because I posted an alloy wheel, which has the near exact appearance of a brand new magnesium Halibrand Cobra II wheel. I was trying to show Patrick what a mag wheel would look like.

And then you post a magnesium hot rod wheel, which looks absolutely nothing like a brand new magnesium Cobra II wheel from Halibrand with the gold Dow7 finish. I know what magnesium wheels look like new and used since I was in the market for several years. We've had 10,000 threads on them here alone. And even Fran Kress came to CC to generate some business and reproduce them, but he could find only 2-3 takers (me, Rodney) here.

This is an X and Z conversation between me and Patrick. Y you in it.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by moore_rb

I'm all for originality, but not when it entails prohibitive cost.

Besides the rapid rate of corrosion, Magnesium wheels also have another detractor versus aluminum wheels- They are more brittle, and more likely to crack or break when hitting a curb, etc...

Not to mention the possibility of them going up in flames (and taking the car with them) if you should suffer a blowout at highway speed, and the wheel starts sparking against the pavement...

Just like 5-lug hubs are statistically safer than knockoffs for guys who drive real highway miles on their cars, so too are aluminum wheels statistically better than magnesium.

just my 2 cents

These are all old wives tales. The modern version of the magnesium Halibrand Cobra II wheel has/had a different chemical makeup from the old magnesium wheels made for hot rods. I spoke with the manufacturing plant with the Halibrand molds and said it's all BS. Magnesium wheels and other parts are used in racing today.

And if you curb an aluminum wheel, they'll crack too.

[moore_rb]

You're right. I'm wrong.

But I still like Patrick's wheels...

and, *poof*... unsubscribed.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by moore_rb

You're right. I'm wrong.

But I still like Patrick's wheels...

and, *poof*... unsubscribed.

That's nice. And I was just about to start a poll on folks who have curbed their magnesium wheels and set them on fire. Shoot, darn it. Eh, I'd probably get the same number of folks who flipped their Cobras over and their two roll bars saved both occupants.

[Phx Mike]

Relax Rodknock. I think a lot of us like the mag look in the pics you posted and in Patrick's wheels regardless of which is most authentic. But I gotta say I would not want real magnesium alloy wheels on a street car. Lighter by volume than aluminum and better strength to weight ratio than most aluminum alloys, but all the mag alloys I am aware of are relatively unstable (they corrode in air). Magnesium is usually a material of last resort in aerospace where weight is critical.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by Phx Mike

Relax Rodknock. I think a lot of us like the mag look in the pics you posted and in Patrick's wheels regardless of which is most authentic. But I gotta say I would not want real magnesium alloy wheels on a street car. Lighter by volume than aluminum and better strength to weight ratio than most aluminum alloys, but all the mag alloys I am aware of are relatively unstable (they corrode in air). Magnesium is usually a material of last resort in aerospace where weight is critical.

You should reread the last couple pages because you obviously missed the original point of my post to Patrick. He said his repainted wheels kinda sorta looked like magnesium. As a joke, I posted a couple pics (one with the Dow7 gold look and one with the aged look) and said "no, here's a couple pics of the magnesium appearance." (paraphrased)

As for an actual magnesium Halibrand Cobra wheel, they coated them with Dow7 to protect them. I almost bought a set that had be sitting for a decade+ and they looked virtually new. Sure, the outer lip had some very minor pitting, but otherwise they were in near-new shape. And worse case scenario, you can polish them to remove the pitting. ERA Chas did it once a year and his wheels looked marvelous.

I know nothing about the aerospace industry and the use of magnesium, but we shouldn't be scaring off buyers of magnesium wheels for our Cobras. I'd buy a set, but they won't fit Kirkhams. And no one is curbing them on their Cobras and none of them have been in flames on any Cobras. They material makeup of the Halibrand wheel, and Fran Kress' repros, have changed over the last 50 years in several production runs.