"vintage" Kirkham 427 value

[MOTORHEAD]

I'm calling it "vintage" because it's within the first 30 sn's, with original design suspension, Girling brakes, 42 gal fuel tank, toploader, FIA bump, batts behind pass seat, oil catch can, a true "S/C" replica.
Only thing not period correct is the Shelby alum block engine.
I'm wondering what these cars are worth in todays market. Not a specific price for this car, but a "price range".
Anybody know of any recent sales (within the last year ??) Only ones that I recall were for newer models, with billet suspensions and unpainted bodywork.

Ted

[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by MOTORHEAD

I'm calling it "vintage" because it's within the first 30 sn's, with original design suspension, Girling brakes, 42 gal fuel tank, toploader, FIA bump, batts behind pass seat, oil catch can, a true "S/C" replica.
Only thing not period correct is the Shelby alum block engine.
I'm wondering what these cars are worth in todays market. Not a specific price for this car, but a "price range".
Anybody know of any recent sales (within the last year ??) Only ones that I recall were for newer models, with billet suspensions and unpainted bodywork.

Ted

Ted,

No early cars have sold this year that I personally know about.

Value wise, it's a buyers market right now, some will dig the early style (IE: original style) underpinnings, many others will not. Same goes for the aluminum stroker vs an original "vintage" engine.


Bill S.

[A-Snake]

Originally Posted by MOTORHEAD

Only thing not period correct is the Shelby alum block engine.
Ted

Curious, how can anything be "period correct" if not built in period?

[Buzz]

Originally Posted by A-Snake

Curious, how can anything be "period correct" if not built in period?

Do you not comprehend the meaning or concept of period correctness in the context of a replica automobile? Or are you just being an elitist ass? I'm genuinely curious...

[MOTORHEAD]

A-snake;
I see your point, however if you read any of the for sale ads for Cobras, they all call out various bits and pieces they describe as "period correct" this or that. It could be a replica of a wheel manufactured and used on a Cobra in the 60's and perhaps even cast from the original dies, it would not be "original", but could be considered "correct for the PERIOD of original vehicle "

[MOTORHEAD]

Mr Mustang:
Thanks for your input. WOW, none have sold in a year ? Their owners must love them and don't want to part with them. I know I love mine, having never driven an original I feel that this car is as close as you can get. I did get to drive a brand new 289 back in the 60's. I remember I wasn't too impressed with it's acceleration, but was quite impressed with the 4 wheel disk braking !!!

[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by a-snake

curious, how can anything be "period correct" if not built in period?

:lol: :lol: :lol: S-l-a-b-s-i-d-e :lol: :lol: :lol:

[A-Snake]

Originally Posted by MOTORHEAD

A-snake;
I see your point, however if you read any of the for sale ads for Cobras, they all call out various bits and pieces they describe as "period correct" this or that. It could be a replica of a wheel manufactured and used on a Cobra in the 60's and perhaps even cast from the original dies, it would not be "original", but could be considered "correct for the PERIOD of original vehicle "

Motorhead, Your statement is correct. Mine was ‘tongue-in-cheek’ using the definition of period correct as using aftermarket accessories that would be have been available when a vehicle was manufactured.
Your Kirkham, I guess, would have been built in the 90's thus the aluminum block would be period correct.

[peterpjb]

a-snake, for better understanding of "periid correctness" take a look at the FIA regulations, appendix K....

[LMH]

He joking peterpjb. He knows what it means
Larry

[peterpjb]

Originally Posted by LMH

He joking peterpjb. He knows what it means
Larry

i know that he knows, but he seems not to know, so i have to act like i think that he doesn't know

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by A-Snake

Your Kirkham, I guess, would have been built in the 90's thus the aluminum block would be period correct.

I'm not a historian, but I thought Ford, or maybe Holman & Moody, manufactured a few aluminum blocks in the 1960's. If so, then a aluminum block is 1960's period correct for those building authentic period correct replicas.

[Morris]

So if I have a Kirkham/Morris with a Shelby block in it.......what is a best guesstimate on it's value ???.......and what about the spares parts....do I sell them with the car or separately???

[MOTORHEAD]

Rod; I do seem to recall reading about some 390 aluminum engines in some Cobra/Shelby book. One vintage racing org I checked with said it required an Iron block actually made (date stamped) in the same time period as the original car was made. So mine would not comply by date and material.

Morris: Your car is in a class by itself !! Are you trying to sell it? What class/group did you race it in? Would be an awesome track (HPDE, NASA, etc) car for someone with pockets waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay deeper than mine !
Wire Wheel. com lists a lot of sports comp cars. Might check with them for value,
and I should do that also.

Ted

[Morris]

Originally Posted by MOTORHEAD

Morris: Your car is in a class by itself !! Are you trying to sell it? What class/group did you race it in? Would be an awesome track (HPDE, NASA, etc) car for someone with pockets waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay deeper than mine !
Wire Wheel. com lists a lot of sports comp cars. Might check with them for value,Ted

Ted .... Thanks for the advice..... and I will check on that site.....

I drove KMP259 on the street to a car show this past weekend (only 3 miles away)..... What a unruly, Obnoxious, over powered, wild car to drive on the street .... I must say it takes a lot of attention to drive KMP259..... it is full of enthusiasm and Giddy up and go at a instant second...... and will break your heart if you don't pay attention to her...... What a ride.... I'm still smiling two days later..... I guess that's why we have these vehicles.....

[Dimis]

Originally Posted by Morris

What a ride.... I'm still smiling two days later..... I guess that's why we have these vehicles.....

In that case, it seems it would be unwise to sell her.
The money you get for her would be lost in therapy bills.

[1795]

Originally Posted by Morris

Ted .... Thanks for the advice..... and I will check on that site.....

I drove KMP259 on the street to a car show this past weekend (only 3 miles away)..... What a unruly, Obnoxious, over powered, wild car to drive on the street .... I must say it takes a lot of attention to drive KMP259..... it is full of enthusiasm and Giddy up and go at a instant second...... and will break your heart if you don't pay attention to her...... What a ride.... I'm still smiling two days later..... I guess that's why we have these vehicles.....

Morris,

Gad to hear that you are still keeping KMP259. It would be a shame for her to go elsewhere. I am surprised that you had her on the road Hard to make a car that does well on the track and on the road. Keep those smiles going.

Jim

[steve meltzer]

what are the first 30#? i have car #174, real, cast iron '65 SO block. steve

[MOTORHEAD]

Steve:
I just used that group of #s because I knew they had the original style tubular and cast suspension pieces and Girling brakes. Don't know at which sn they changed to billet as standard, tubular additional cost option.

[steve meltzer]

I'm pretty sure I have the tubular suspension, but I have Wilwood brakes. battery in the back, behind the passenger's seat. steve