Spun my Backdraft!

[bubela]

Was entering a somewhat blind on-ramp that I've never been on before. I wasn't aware that the end of the ramps radius got tighter. I lifted on the gas knowing that was the wrong thing to do, but did it anyway. Instantly, the tail end went left. So I turned into the slide and the tail swung right! I turned right and it came back around to the left again. The last time I couldn't catch it and she came around. Luckily I scrubbed some speed during that process. When I got spun backwards, I pushed the clutch in and it stopped spinning as I was parallel to the wall so I just went backwards in a straight line instead of in to the wall! I probably should have pushed the clutch in sooner. Forgot to do that.

My other fun car is a 870whp e46 turbo m3. I thought I was a decent driver and knew my limits. Cobra ownership is proving otherwise! Be careful out there kids.

[patrickt]

Yep, that can happen. Lifting the throttle in a turn can bite you. Are your tires pretty decent?

[ERA 626]

Originally Posted by bubela

Was entering a somewhat blind on-ramp that I've never been on before. I wasn't aware that the end of the ramps radius got tighter. I lifted on the gas knowing that was the wrong thing to do, but did it anyway. Instantly, the tail end went left. So I turned into the slide and the tail swung right! I turned right and it came back around to the left again. The last time I couldn't catch it and she came around. Luckily I scrubbed some speed during that process. When I got spun backwards, I pushed the clutch in and it stopped spinning as I was parallel to the wall so I just went backwards in a straight line instead of in to the wall! I probably should have pushed the clutch in sooner. Forgot to do that.

My other fun car is a 870whp e46 turbo m3. I thought I was a decent driver and knew my limits. Cobra ownership is proving otherwise! Be careful out there kids.

NEVER go agressive into a situation that you are not familliar with or you can not see. the 90" wheelbase car will flip ends before you can react. I have extensive roadrace experience in a 110mph shifter kart. this happens on a kart on the track you spin out and for the most part nobody gets hurt or KILLED but when this happens on a cobra complete different ball game... careful man.

[t walgamuth]

In my car the engine's torque on off throttle makes the car react as if you have put on the rear brakes only when you lift abruptly in a turn.

The suspension is pretty rudimentary on my car compared to a newish BMW too.

The responsiveness of the steering makes it almost impossible to control if you get unexpected input from the suspension or any unexpected input really. Gas, steering or brakes.

It is fine on the autocross course where you can spin with no consequences but on the street it keeps you focused....the fear, I mean.

[RUFdriver]

There’ an old saying in the 911 racing world, “ keep your finger in the flame”, never lift in a turn.

[SLP]

I witnessed those 911 shenanigans many times as a kid when my friends and I use to sneak into Bridgehampton Raceway and hang out at turn 1 for the sole purpose of watching the newbie drivers of the 911’s lift and spin.

[Tom Wells]

bubela,

In road racing terms, that's called trailing throttle oversteer (TTO); very common for a Cobra to do that.

The next thing you learn at driving school is "in a spin, both feet in." That's clutch down and brakes on. It's an attempt to minimize speed for any impact with another object the car may be headed toward.

As a previous poster mentioned, the wear rating of the tires is important (200 is good, 500 is lousy) and their age is also a factor. If they are more than 6 years old, traction loss is highly probable, as traction becomes less as a tire ages.

Hope you have learned something from the episode. If my Cobra tried to kill me that way, and I didn't hit anything at all, I'd go buy a lottery ticket!

Take care,

Tom

[hauss]

Let me just say first, glad you are ok One thing to keep in mind sometimes cars stop at the end of ramps and leak oil.I learned this one the hard way on a motorcycle. had it pitched sideways in the street then it caught and highsided. lucky all I got was a concussion and a bruised shoulder. You should have seen my helmet huge scratches in the back.One thing you do not hear to much in the car world is READ YOUR SURFACES .

[Millsy]

Been there done that, mine was too much throttle on cold tires. No damage and got lucky. It spins in an instant. Glad you are ok

[twobjshelbys]

My pucker event was a combination of trailing throttle and cold tires. I'd driven about 15 miles and turning left on a cool morning going into work, nothing really out of the ordinary, no excessive speed or anything (same as I turned with my other cars), but the pavement was shaded and the tires broke loose. 360 in the middle of the intersection. Fortunately curbs were quite a ways away.

[bubela]

Yeah, the tires have tread but are 5 years old. I’m purposefully trying to wear them out so I can get new ones! I knew what I was doing was not smart. Luckily I learned a cost-free lesson.

I’ve not heard that quote RUFdriver. I like it.

I’ve had a few instructed driving sessions on NJMPs tracks with the BMW CCA but in a different car. I guess don’t have enough experience spinning to do it instinctually.

First time a car got squirrely on me was a dozen years ago. I was racing my turbo charged m50 e36 ti (106” wheelbase). I pressurized the coolant bottle towards the end of the ¼ mile and got the driver side slick wet. I don’t remember if I clutched in but I was able to save it at over 100mph. Same scenario where I was skidding left and right, looking at one wall and then the other. I know I got lucky then. Hopefully it’s another dozen years until it happens again.

[jmimac351]

I've observed that a significant risk is, when you start to spin... things seems to slow down and become a bit surreal, then that little voice in your head starts lying to you... "Don't worry, you can save it. Don't go both feet in, you can save it and then just keep going like nothing ever happened".

The voice is partly correct... you do end up "saving it", but the problem is that you have done nothing to scrub speed and have no control over the direction you end up being aimed in once the tires regain grip, which is usually at a solid object which very often results in a hard impact. Hitting a concrete wall at 20mph in a cobra might not kill you. Well... assuming you don't suffer a basal skull fracture because you have no airbag or H&N restraint.

So, if this ever happens again... ignore that voice:

"When you spin... BOTH. FEET. IN."

[Laughing_Jakal]

I noticed that said "When you spin"....not IF

[FUNFER2]

Small light cars don't like heavy breaking when cornering. When we raced dirt winged sprint cars a pit member asked me for years to let him drive it in warm ups. I always turned him down unless he handed me 10k in cash, well, after all of those downs for so many years, he handed me a check,...for 10k. lol

I told him to remember what I always said, if you are headed for the wall, don't hit the brake, hit the throttle or you'll hit the wall at 90mph, guess what happened ? For 4 laps he drove it well, and said he knew not to hit the brake when he got tight, but did it anyway.

He was fine and it actually cost him only 7k. 😋 He told me it was the best 7k he ever spent. 🤣

[saki302]

My first drive home with the superformance and 10 year old tires was.. exciting. Giving it a little blip of gas turning up my hill made the whole tail end step out.

With all the RT suspension upgrades and avons, it's a whole different car. You have to be doing something stupid to spin now. Or trail braking into a turn (did that on a track).

My spare set of 17s with old hoosier A5s will also teach you spin recovery when they overheat after one lap ��
I bought them for the wheels, but it's kind of fun to drive them on a tight track and feel the tail step out (the understeer on hard turns is less fun).

[Tommy]

My track days are behind me, but when I was into it I must have spun my Cobra at least two dozen times . . . without damaging the car. My method was to never approach 10/10ths of my capability in a turn unless there was a big runoff clear of trees, ditches, etc. On the other turns I'd dial it back to 8/10ths after the tires were warm AND I had become familiar with the surface. On cold tires and public roads I seldom topped 6/10ths.

[FUNFER2]

We had the sprint car on the driveway one time when a new neighbor came buy asking what the hell is that, once I explained the car and raced on dirt, turning left at our local high banked 1/3rd mile at 100 mph, he said, and you intentionally get the car sideways on purpose to turn ? You're insane !!! 🤣

[FUNFER2]

We had the sprint car on the driveway one time when a new neighbor came buy asking what the hell is that, once I explained the car and raced on dirt, turning left at our local high banked 1/3rd mile at 100 mph, he said, and you intentionally get the car sideways on purpose to turn ? You're insane !!!

[Alfa02]

After being a Road Racer for many, many, years, we drivers have come up with some really great saying, the best one I heard was. "Never let your Ego write checks your Talent can't cash" Cheers Tom.

[FUNFER2]

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