Copper & Bronze Cobras at Barrett Jackson Scottsdale 2020

[Phx Mike]

I would say those are fair prices except for the coupe which looks like a bargain

[Phx Mike]

Originally Posted by MKS427

Copper description, " This car’s only miles come from rolling on and off a trailer for car shows, so it’s close to new. The engine compartment is stuffed with a rare all-aluminum 427ci single overhead cam V8 engine,"
Not driven. Are you thinking about it Mike?

No interest in a copper or bronze car. I like my aluminum car. I would have painted it but it was a pain to get that done when new. The polished finish is easy to take care of but I would still like paint. But no copper or bronze - heavier, tarnishes and no functional benefit.

[Anthony]

I was there.

All the cars are a work of art.

[joyridin']

I really thought they were going to go for a lot more considering. especially the Daytona Coupe. I figured that would be well in the 190's to even the low 200k range.

Resto-Mod Corvettes, and rare GM cars are the big money makers. If you do not have those to sell, you aren't getting the big bucks.

[Alfa02]

Was I the only one, to see the blemishes & swirl marks on all the polished Krikhams? As the camera panned around the cars, dark, light, shiny, and dull, spots everywhere. For these to be on Nationwide TV, I don't think they bode well for the beautiful polished Krikham's. I'm thinking it was the quick detail guy's there just before they go on stage, that cause it. Too bad. Cheers TommyRot, Morning Karlos

[Blue66]

Originally Posted by joyridin'

Resto-Mod Corvettes, and rare GM cars are the big money makers..

Those cars were CRAZY $$$$$$.

[olddog]

Originally Posted by FredG

You know the old saying...only worth what someone is willing to pay. IMHO every Kirkham isn't worth what they are priced at. Is it a collector thing? A prestige thing? Maybe but as far as value looking at the total construction package and the materials used, way overpriced. I have no use for those kind of things..........IMHO

Fred

I don't see how you can think that way.

The original cars are worth 6-7 figures based on their history (pedigree) and rareness. Somewhere north of 1300 total SB and 427 were built. No more will ever exist, and it is supply verses demand that drives the price.

Now lets be honest and compare an original to a Kirkham, in terms of design and quality of parts. A Kirkham is superior in every way. It is flat out a better car anywhere you want to look.

Now compare Kirkham to a top of the line Corvette or any other so called supercar. Remember it was only recent years that the Corvette finally surpassed some of the records that the original 427 Cobra's set, fifty plus years ago. You get into some of the exotic cars and a Kirkham is cheap. In my mind no other car has the wow factor of a Kirkham Cobra, and you can put as much power into it as you want (within reason of course).

I challenge you to go out on your own, design, and build a car equal to a Kirkham for less money. Then realize Kirkham is doing this and making a profit, which is the entire point of any business.

PS
If you were trying to say that there are some very nice Fiberglass replicas out there for much less (1/3) money and you could never justify spending the extra money for a Kirkham, or a TOL Corvette or any of the super cars, then yes I agree. There are lots of people out there that prefer a good beer over fine wine and champagne, but that does not mean champagne is overpriced. It just means you cannot afford it (at least in your mind).

[twobjshelbys]

Originally Posted by Alfa02

Was I the only one, to see the blemishes & swirl marks on all the polished Krikhams? As the camera panned around the cars, dark, light, shiny, and dull, spots everywhere. For these to be on Nationwide TV, I don't think they bode well for the beautiful polished Krikham's. I'm thinking it was the quick detail guy's there just before they go on stage, that cause it. Too bad. Cheers TommyRot, Morning Karlos

No you are not the only one. And frankly, I think that detracts from the price. Instead of saying "Wow, that's cool polished aluminum that I have to have", the typical buyer says "Good grief, why didn't they paint it, so now I've got to put another 30K into it".

[snakeeyes]

The whims of the collector car market always amaze me. A few years ago a Hemi ‘Cuda was a million-dollar car. Yesterday the most perfectly restored, numbers-matching example I’ve ever seen went for $155,000.00. Per the broadcast the resto receipts were four inches thick and totaled over $250K. And yet there were lifted Ford diesel pickups going for north of $100K.

Ford GTs were also sure money, as were all the “Eleanor” Mustang replicas. Personally I’ll never understand the appeal of the Eleanor cars. But obviously they have appeal.

[redmt]

Cost vs. value. Cost is whatever you can get somebody to pay. Value is what it's actually worth to YOU. Along those lines somebody that just wants a "Cobra" as a daily driver would have no more "value" in a Kirkham vs. a Factory Five. Just my opinion, yours may be different.

[twobjshelbys]

Originally Posted by snakeeyes

And yet there were lifted Ford diesel pickups going for north of $100K.

Trucks are the new Mopars. Have been for a couple of years.

[twobjshelbys]

Originally Posted by snakeeyes

... went for $155,000.00. Per the broadcast the resto receipts were four inches thick and totaled over $250K.

Many times the commentators will state that restorations rarely recoup the cost. At best it's free labor.

[snakeeyes]

Originally Posted by twobjshelbys

Trucks are the new Mopars. Have been for a couple of years.

For sure. Around where I live a modded F450 will get far more attention than an F50. I’m the original owner of an ‘03 Dodge diesel dually, and these days I can’t stop for fuel without someone asking me if it’s for sale. When they hear the mileage (just over 50K) it drives them wild. I take care of my stuff so it’s in nice shape, but I bought it as a workhorse to pull horse trailers and race cars, and it’s bizarre to me that folks view trucks like that as collector’s items now.

[twobjshelbys]

Originally Posted by snakeeyes

For sure. Around where I live a modded F450 will get far more attention than an F50. I’m the original owner of an ‘03 Dodge diesel dually, and these days I can’t stop for fuel without someone asking me if it’s for sale. When they hear the mileage (just over 50K) it drives them wild. I take care of my stuff so it’s in nice shape, but I bought it as a workhorse to pull horse trailers and race cars, and it’s bizarre to me that folks view trucks like that as collector’s items now.

My '04 Ram 1500 has just over 100K and the desert sun has beat the paint on a couple a fender and end gate that got repainted over the years. I'm probably going to get a complete repaint and touch up some other minor dings while I'm at it. It's a new truck otherwise. The only thing I can complain about is the heat/ac baffle seems stuck (apparently a common failure).

[snakeeyes]

Originally Posted by twobjshelbys

My '04 Ram 1500 has just over 100K and the desert sun has beat the paint on a couple a fender and end gate that got repainted over the years. I'm probably going to get a complete repaint and touch up some other minor dings while I'm at it. It's a new truck otherwise. The only thing I can complain about is the heat/ac baffle seems stuck (apparently a common failure).

Mine has the same issue with the baffle, I think, but it’s intermittent. Yes, repaint that truck and then in about ten years we can run them across the block at B-J and watch them bring in the big bucks

[twobjshelbys]

Originally Posted by snakeeyes

Mine has the same issue with the baffle, I think, but it’s intermittent.

I searched for this and one of the Dodge forums indicates this is a very common problem. You have to remove the whole dash although some claim you can simply "loosen it" if you know what you're doing. It's one of those "the first time I did it I took the whole thing apart but I know a shortcut the second time". That experience is how auto repair that charge by the book make money since after the first time it never takes that long.

Yes, repaint that truck and then in about ten years we can run them across the block at B-J and watch them bring in the big bucks

And I can claim "numbers matching" to make it worth even more

[Mark IV]

Originally Posted by snakeeyes

as were all the “Eleanor” Mustang replicas. Personally I’ll never understand the appeal of the Eleanor cars. But obviously they have appeal.

A replica of a non-existent "Shelby" from a crappy movie and someone thinks it's worth 300K!?!?

I understand some of the "original" restomods going for money, they aren't cheap to build and I would guess most are sold at a loss of time and money so if you want one, a good way to go but those "Eleanors"..............

[TimG427]

The lights on stage didn't do any favors for the Cobras, I'm not sure why. In the display gallery, they looked amazing. The bronze Cobra was very well presented, the copper and aluminum Cobras could have used some more preparation. The aluminum, bronze and copper Cobras had the stainless chassis option.

[Karl Bebout]

Hopefully the new owners might actually DRIVE the cars, but I know that's highly unlikely.
Their money, their car.
As for me, I don't spend much time doing the wax-on, wax-off thing. My car is for MY enjoyment and that entails lots of driving along with the inherent dangers like stone chips and nicks and dings and maybe the rare off road experience.

Hey, TommyRot

[TimG427]

I'm pretty sure the new owner will drive the bronze one.