Registering in Calif with Webers and No Wipers

[Bill D]

Am I going to have major issues getting it pass smog and titled in CA under SB100? Should I just sell the car before spending money to paint It?

[t walgamuth]

Why not put on wipers?

[Bill D]

Originally Posted by t walgamuth

Why not put on wipers?

No wY to fit them. Motor would have to be inside the firewall, not in the engine bay

[bingo2]

There were a couple of guys on one of the Factory Five forums, I don't recall which forum, that had the same concerns. One, I recall, fabricated an air box out of a couple of cookie sheets with the attendant PCV hardware and passed his BAR inspection easily.

Regarding the wipers, others have used the clip-on manual wipers successfully.

[xb-60]

Originally Posted by Bill D

No wY to fit them. Motor would have to be inside the firewall, not in the engine bay

My wiper motor is inside the firewall. Couldn't make it work under the hood.

Keep at it Bill!

Cheers
Glen

[eschaider]

Originally Posted by Bill D

Am I going to have major issues getting it pass smog and titled in CA under SB100? Should I just sell the car before spending money to paint It?

SB100 doesn't care how the emissions turn out. One of the benefits of the SPCNs registration is the fact the car no longer needs to pass smog. You will need things like PCV's and wipers but the smog emissions burden is gone.


Ed

[t walgamuth]

I used wipers readily available from hot rod sources on my 39 studebaker. The ones on the cobra look to be very similar. The motor is inside the passenger compartment. They aren't much but are a lot better than nothing.

[Igofastr]

Make sure that you register it as a car from before 1965, and or use a block from before that date...otherwise you will need to use a pcv, which complicates the use of webers. It can be done, but it's a bit of a pain. If you need help, I built a set of spacers with vacuum lines to go under the webers along with a cheap Chinese valve cover with a pcv.

[pormgb]

I got my car through the SB100 process in San Diego late last year with no wipers. The BAR inspector only cared about my build story (engine + body with frame came from different places and visual proof of the DIY build), and my motor had a visible PCV based on its 1959 manufacturing year (1959 Tbird Ford 3524V PCV).

As Igofastr's stated, I don't think it even matters that the PCV system has the original components. So a vacuum port from a carb's base to a valve cover would probably be sufficient.

[Bill D]

“ As Igofastr's stated, I don't think it even matters that the PCV system has the original components. So a vacuum port from a carb's base to a valve cover would probably be sufficient.”

Webers don’t have a port to which a hose can be connected. That’s my whole issue.

[Igofastr]

Originally Posted by Bill D

“ As Igofastr's stated, I don't think it even matters that the PCV system has the original components. So a vacuum port from a carb's base to a valve cover would probably be sufficient.”

Webers don’t have a port to which a hose can be connected. That’s my whole issue.

I would be happy to sell you a set of spacers, each with a port and hoses to connect to a PCV. It worked when I took my weber-equipped GT40 through. I also have a cheap Chinese valve cover with a PCV attached. This setup got my 351W with weber IDA48s through the inspection.

Ron

[pormgb]

Originally Posted by Igofastr

I would be happy to sell you a set of spacers, each with a port and hoses to connect to a PCV. It worked when I took my weber-equipped GT40 through. I also have a cheap Chinese valve cover with a PCV attached. This setup got my 351W with weber IDA48s through the inspection.

Ron

For the amount of pain the BAR trip can be, I would try Igofastr recommendation. As long as you have a hose going from your carburetors to a valve cover, you should be fine. I took my car with two PCV hoses, one from the air filter to the valve cover, and the other from the carburetor PCV port to the additional valve cover. The BAR inspector looked at the valve cover to the carburetor PCV port and ignored the air filter hose. He didn't even check the engine number; he just focused on the year and size of the motor. My sticker states 1959 Ford 5.8L; therefore, my PCV standards are defined by the year of the engine.

[Igofastr]

Originally Posted by pormgb

For the amount of pain the BAR trip can be, I would try Igofastr recommendation. As long as you have a hose going from your carburetors to a valve cover, you should be fine. I took my car with two PCV hoses, one from the air filter to the valve cover, and the other from the carburetor PCV port to the additional valve cover. The BAR inspector looked at the valve cover to the carburetor PCV port and ignored the air filter hose. He didn't even check the engine number; he just focused on the year and size of the motor. My sticker states 1959 Ford 5.8L; therefore, my PCV standards are defined by the year of the engine.

I'd completely forgotten about the air filter. I have that too. One line tapped into the base of a filter.

I'll have to look in my storage, but I'm pretty sure I still have it all. The only thing you'd have to add is longer studs (or bolts) to fasten the carb / spacers to the intake.

[CompClassics]

The PCV is not an issue, put a PCV valve it one of the valve covers and run a hose to one of the Weber velocity stacks. You may want to purchase an extra velocity stack as the hose will have to attach to it. We used a threaded fitting for the velocity stack fitting but you can figure out what works best for you. After the inspection you can change everything back to the way you had it.
Depending on your inspector things can get out of hand or they may let you by on some requirements. You also mayy need a brake and light inspection.

[pormgb]

Originally Posted by CompClassics

The PCV is not an issue, put a PCV valve it one of the valve covers and run a hose to one of the Weber velocity stacks. You may want to purchase an extra velocity stack as the hose will have to attach to it. We used a threaded fitting for the velocity stack fitting but you can figure out what works best for you. After the inspection you can change everything back to the way you had it.
Depending on your inspector things can get out of hand or they may let you by on some requirements. You also mayy need a brake and light inspection.

A Brake and light inspection should not be required if the car came with an MSO, or was registered in another state. My car needed a Brake and light inspection because it's a 2015 SPCNS, and it came with a bill of sale. +1 on the inspection getting out of hand. You almost need a script to say the right things; otherwise, you could get in trouble.

When I had my brake and light inspection, I asked about wipers. The technician said that the DMV doesn't care about wipers.

The steps to registration are;
First DMV visit, most pain!!
CHP visit (Vin assignment)
DMV Visit to Get Certificate Of Sequence + pay taxes
Brake + Light if SPCNS
BAR Visit to get SB100.

The only safety check is the brake and light, and they don't care about wipers (brakes and lights). The BAR doesn't care about wipers; all they want is that the engine and body came from different places; a certified mechanic didn't build the car, a PCV system. It's also useful to a build history (illustrated) and have receipts that show where the engine and transmission were purchased or parts to make. These are all SB100 requirements.

I went to the BAR at Mirimar college in San Diego, he did not look for wipers.

[Gaz64]

Originally Posted by CompClassics

The PCV is not an issue, put a PCV valve it one of the valve covers and run a hose to one of the Weber velocity stacks. You may want to purchase an extra velocity stack as the hose will have to attach to it. We used a threaded fitting for the velocity stack fitting but you can figure out what works best for you. After the inspection you can change everything back to the way you had it.
Depending on your inspector things can get out of hand or they may let you by on some requirements. You also mayy need a brake and light inspection.

That's not how to plumb for PCV.

Fresh filtered air needs to enter the crankcase, either via a filtered oil cap, or hose to a carb filter base. The other side of the engine then needs a PCV plumbed to manifold vacuum.
On a Webered V8, these needs to be plumbed to ALL inlet runners, either via a spacer under each carb, or individual feeds drilled and tapped into each runner. I have mine plumbed under the manifold.

Gary

[Igofastr]

Originally Posted by Gaz64

That's not how to plumb for PCV.

Fresh filtered air needs to enter the crankcase, either via a filtered oil cap, or hose to a carb filter base. The other side of the engine then needs a PCV plumbed to manifold vacuum.
On a Webered V8, these needs to be plumbed to ALL inlet runners, either via a spacer under each carb, or individual feeds drilled and tapped into each runner. I have mine plumbed under the manifold.

Gary

Gary, it doesn't need to be plumbed under "all" intake runners. That doesn't accomplish anything more that having it plumbed under ONE intake runner (at least for the purposes of meeting the regulation). All you need to to is provide a way to burn crankcase gasses via internal combustion, and provide filtered air to the crankcase in times of vacuum. You can (and I did) do that by tapping a spacer plate under a single weber, with a line going to the PCV in one valve cover. Then, you tap into the bottom of an enclosed air filter over the same, or any other carb, with a line going to the opposite valve cover (or the oil filler cap which may have a connection for just this purpose). This meets both the intent, and letter of the law. I had no problem passing with this setup.

Gary, I see that you're from Australia. You guys have all kinds of crazy regulation when it comes to cars. I assure you that the PCV only needs to be able to expel its gasses in such a way that they are combusted within the engine. One line into a common manifold...or any manifold (in the case of individual throttle bodies) will accomplish the task. I suppose one could argue about the effective vacuum not being consistent over a single cylinder, but the webers cover two cylinders, and I suppose the authorities think that's enough. At least here in the US of Kalifornia.

[twobjshelbys]

Originally Posted by Gaz64

That's not how to plumb for PCV.

It is if that is all that is required to pass inspection.

What you describe is proper for the most reliable operation since it avoids dumping all of the blow-by into one cylinder. Which I assert is not a big deal anyway, and we can have the "catch can" discussion somewhere else.

However, reliable and most proper operation aren't necessarily all that is needed to pass inspection if the goal is to simply undo it when the inspection is complete.

I had the 8-stack EFI system (Roush 427IR) that had no PCV system. Colorado never required me to add it.

[Gaz64]

So when plumbed to only one cylinder, it may well have PCV operation at light throttle, but for the other 7 cylinders it will be blowby, either out a vented oil cap, or hose to atmosphere.

So any tech who passes PCV that is not sealed in one form or another, or not plumbed to a continuous vacuum source needs to look at the rules.

I would have thought that California would be tougher than Australia.

[snakeeyes]

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