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03-09-2021, 02:54 AM
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Senile Club Cobra Member
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Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Buffalo, NY USA,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Superformance
Posts: 4,536
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I.D. please
We are attempting to help a local appraiser identify the make of this Cobra replica. It is registered under a 1967 Mustang Convert 200 CID six-cylinder VIN as was common years ago. The link to the pictures and description are here: https://mailtrack.io/trace/link/80eb...76ba2c57bb9853
All help is appreciated, thanks.
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03-09-2021, 09:45 AM
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CC Member
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Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: San Antonio,
TX
Cobra Make, Engine: Former owner: JCF 289 slabside, ERA #329 and 424, GTD "Essex Wire" GT40; currently enjoying Hi-Tech 427 #147
Posts: 1,822
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That looks like a Shell Valley to me but I don't know enough about the details of the frame or steering setup to confirm that.
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03-09-2021, 02:49 PM
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Senile Club Cobra Member
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Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Buffalo, NY USA,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Superformance
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Bump. Come'on guys, some knows what this is!
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03-09-2021, 03:10 PM
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CC Member
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Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: warrington,
pa
Cobra Make, Engine:
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shell valley or mid-states cobra?
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03-09-2021, 03:48 PM
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Average Guy
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Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Rushville,
IN
Cobra Make, Engine: red Shell Valley, white stripes
Posts: 579
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Looks rather like a Shell Valley to me.
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03-09-2021, 05:13 PM
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CC Member
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Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Clayton,
IN
Cobra Make, Engine: ERA 838
Posts: 1,123
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It is long wheel base. That narrows the field.
There are only a few that build or built 96" cars.
John
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03-09-2021, 09:40 PM
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CC Member
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Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: St. Lucia, West Indies,
WI
Cobra Make, Engine: Unique 427SC 383 stroker
Posts: 3,767
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Shape of rear fender coming into the rocker, pronounced rear fender lip, live rear axle, Flaming River steering column, hood and trunk lid hinge attachment mouldings, center console under dash, shape of rear cockpit surround behind the seats and a few other details rule out most of the other popular live-axle brands and point to it being an Antique & Collectibles (A&C) Replica. Not 100% sure on the chassis details, but going by the body/interior cues, that is my pick.
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03-09-2021, 10:04 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2018
Location: Clovis,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Shell Valley w/BluePrint 408
Posts: 72
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Comparing it to my Shell Valley.....there are similarities in the front frame rails and supports, also the shape of the foot boxes. The shape of the trunk and it’s interior are very similar to mine as is the dash, back wall and interior layout. I would say it’s a first generation Shell Valley or MidStates.
I would have to see more of the underside (frame rails, side rails) to offer a better opinion.
John
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03-09-2021, 10:09 PM
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CC Member
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Join Date: Jul 2003
Cobra Make, Engine: Unique Motorcars 289 USRRC, 1964 289 stroked to 331, toploader
Posts: 1,090
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Hmmmm...
Looks like she might be burning some oil... blue smoke on those few revs.
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03-10-2021, 04:18 AM
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CC Member/Contributor
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Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Greenville,
SC
Cobra Make, Engine: 70 Shelby convertible, ERA-289 FIA, 65 Sunbeam Tiger, mystery Ford powered 2dr convertible
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As stated above, appears to be an early Shell Valley or Mid States to me. Leaning towards early Mid State as it used those funky tailights.
Bill S.
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03-10-2021, 04:35 AM
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CC Member/Contributor
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Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: (Beautiful) Sequim,
WA
Cobra Make, Engine: Pacific Roadster, 347 cu.in. 5-speed
Posts: 2,001
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I have to go with Bill S. on Mid-States too, as in those funky taillights, but also the rear fender shape. Just my guess. TommyRot.
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03-10-2021, 01:14 PM
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CC Member
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Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: St. Lucia, West Indies,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Unique 427SC 383 stroker
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Buzz
Shape of rear fender coming into the rocker, pronounced rear fender lip, live rear axle, Flaming River steering column, hood and trunk lid hinge attachment mouldings, center console under dash, shape of rear cockpit surround behind the seats and a few other details rule out most of the other popular live-axle brands and point to it being an Antique & Collectibles (A&C) Replica. Not 100% sure on the chassis details, but going by the body/interior cues, that is my pick.
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Add to the above - the horizontal "V-shaped" front frame extensions going to the front bumper support and the horizontal crossmember aft of the radiator location:
Leading edge of rear fenders- Neither Shell Valley nor Midstates look like this
90% sure it's an A&C. 99% sure it's not a Midstates or Shell Valley. I could be wrong, of course - I seem to recall the really old Shell Valleys had an odd looking rear fender leading edge, but not all of the other details I've noted.
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03-10-2021, 04:33 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Canandaigua,
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Cobra Make, Engine: SPF MKII Riverside Racer FIA
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A&C is located in the Buffalo area and the seller is in a suburb of Buffalo, so it is possible.
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03-10-2021, 06:08 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: St. Lucia, West Indies,
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1795
A&C is located in the Buffalo area and the seller is in a suburb of Buffalo, so it is possible.
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98.675% sure now.
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03-10-2021, 06:31 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: St. Lucia, West Indies,
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Buzz
98.675% sure now.
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That it's an A&C that is. 105.235% sure it's not a Midstates or Shell Valley. (Rounding off to the nearest 3 decimal points, otherwise I'd be more precise)
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Grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the strength to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. -(wasn't me)
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03-10-2021, 09:57 PM
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CC Member
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Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Adelaide,
SA
Cobra Make, Engine: AP 289FIA 'English' spec.
Posts: 13,152
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I'm 100% convinced that I have no idea (what manufacturer it is  )
I do, however, have a comment/question .....the front wheels and tyres don't appear to be wider than normal, so does the extra wide front track rule in/out any of the posted suggestions?
Cheers 
Glen
Last edited by xb-60; 03-10-2021 at 10:00 PM..
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