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06-19-2022, 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by nkb
Nope, that ship has sailed. Kirkham rollers with no engine and transmission $200k plus. And $25k more if you want polished or brushed.
Fundamental change in business model.
You won’t find any pricing on the website either.
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Any idea on when prices changed so dramatically? Now I’m too nervous to ever drive my car again. 😀 |
06-19-2022, 03:15 PM
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Cobra Make, Engine: 70 Shelby convertible, ERA-289 FIA, 65 Sunbeam Tiger, mystery Ford powered 2dr convertible
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Originally Posted by RodKnock
Any idea on when prices changed so dramatically? Now I’m too nervous to ever drive my car again. 😀
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100K for your dust covered, neglected, unloved Kirkham, can wire the funds tomorrow. Throw in a certain LB "C" and I'll up it 15K for the pair. 
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06-19-2022, 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by mrmustang
100K for your dust covered, neglected, unloved Kirkham, can wire the funds tomorrow. Throw in a certain LB "C" and I'll up it 15K for the pair.
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Uh, the OP is advertising his Kirkham for $155,000. And mine has lower miles. A little margin in there for you and you already have a BIG stable. 
Apologies to Ted, I didn't mean to derail his thread. I've just been out of the loop on this site, and Cobra, specifically, Kirkham prices. I'm genuinely surprised. |
06-19-2022, 03:35 PM
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If a new Kirkham roller is $200,000, polishing (or paint) is another $25,000. And I assume engines and trannys aren't cheap either, maybe another $25,000 +/-, plus all the other "little things," doesn't that make Ted's car at roughly a 50% discount "reasonable" given the circumstances?
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06-19-2022, 05:26 PM
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Cobra Make, Engine: ERA Street Roadster #782 with 459 cu in FE KC engine, toploader, 3.31
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I remember back around 2010 Keith Craft was selling a Kirkham in his shop with one of his 482 motors in it for right around $100,000. I even sat in it on the trip to watch my motor dyno test. I knew it was a deal but I was still trying to figure out how to make retirement work and I barely had it figured out with the ERA.
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06-19-2022, 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by RodKnock
Uh, the OP is advertising his Kirkham for $155,000. And mine has lower miles. A little margin in there for you and you already have a BIG stable.
Apologies to Ted, I didn't mean to derail his thread. I've just been out of the loop on this site, and Cobra, specifically, Kirkham prices. I'm genuinely surprised. |
That wasn't a no
Bill S. 
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06-20-2022, 09:43 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RodKnock
Wait, what? You can't be "talking" about Kirkham's without engines and transmissions? You must mean newly sorted and running Kirkham's?
Last I recall, a Kirkham roller, no engine and trans, advertised on their website was $99,000.
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Yes, Kirkham prices were once easily found on their website. Alas, they no longer provide that information. I follow David Kirkham on FB and I know he has been lamenting the various supply chain issues for some time now. Much of the parts and pieces Kirkham once purchased they no longer buy from suppliers, manufacturing more and more components 'in house'. They've invested in 5-axis CNC mills, heat treating, etc., but even that's been increasingly a problem due to raw materials delays and shortages.
I suspect a good portion of the price increases is due to the above plus, of course, their reputation as the premier manufacturer of replica Cobras has no doubt allowed them to price accordingly.
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06-20-2022, 01:13 PM
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body and chassis isn’t everything, a turnkey with original parts, drivetrain and suspension (289) can easily double the price
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06-20-2022, 01:28 PM
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So, what does it cost these companies to build these cars? Kirkham, Backdraft, Shelby? What is the profit margin?
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06-21-2022, 11:35 AM
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So, what does it cost these companies to build these cars? Kirkham, Backdraft, Shelby? What is the profit margin?
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Does it matter? They need enough profit to remain in operation and invest in their businesses. Pricing will be what the market will bear. I certainly don't begrudge Kirkham, Shelby, or anyone else the profit they make.
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06-21-2022, 11:47 AM
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Last I remember, they're private companies, but for Shelby, which is a thinly traded public company. Shelby does have a positive gross profit, but negative EBITDA.
https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/CSBI/financials?p=CSBI
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06-21-2022, 02:22 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RodKnock
Last I remember, they're private companies, but for Shelby, which is a thinly traded public company. Shelby does have a positive gross profit, but negative EBITDA.
https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/CSBI/financials?p=CSBI
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SAI doesn’t make replicas… |
06-21-2022, 03:23 PM
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SAI doesn’t make replicas…
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We’ve had this discussion, years ago. Let’s agree to disagree. |
06-21-2022, 05:12 PM
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SAI doesn’t make replicas…
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They didn't make original Cobras after 1967 either, just saying
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06-21-2022, 05:56 PM
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One of the reasons that I stopped coming back to Club Cobra for some years is this "rabbit hole" of a topic. We had 100-page discussions about it. People's beliefs are their own, not everyone has to share them.
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06-21-2022, 06:00 PM
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Quote:
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One of the reasons that I stopped coming back to Club Cobra for some years is this "rabbit hole" of a topic. We had 100-page discussions about it. People's beliefs are their own, not everyone has to share them.
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Then feast your eyes on the modification I made to the "remove my spinner with one finger thread" by making the removal tool not only portable but it's capable of putting close to 5,000 ft/lbs down on that spinner. Yep, the more things change the more they stay the same. 
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06-21-2022, 07:43 PM
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Mickey Thompson's and balancing with weights on the outside? Are we stuck in the 1960's?
Seriously, how many times have you posted that pic? |
06-21-2022, 08:03 PM
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Are we stuck in the 1960's? |
In a word, yes.
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Seriously, how many times have you posted that pic?
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Well I only got the torque multiplier a couple of weeks ago, so maybe twice I guess. But the original thread was back in 2018. You're probably thinking of that. Here: I Can Remove My Spinners With One Finger |
06-21-2022, 08:24 PM
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Quote:
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Mickey Thompson's and balancing with weights on the outside? Are we stuck in the 1960's?
Seriously, how many times have you posted that pic? |
See, I told you Patrick missed you 
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06-21-2022, 10:08 PM
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Quote:
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SAI doesn’t make replicas…
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Production of originals ceased in 1967. Current CSX cars aren't made on original tooling so, yes, they're replicas - even with a Shelby badge.
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