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09-13-2023, 02:39 AM
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Some of the comments are just priceless -
" Legendary collectors like Lynn Park have plenty of Kirkham’s in the garage. Real Cobra people don’t spend much time arguing about replicas and kit cars."
"regardless of the quality of the Kirkham and Superformance aluminum cars, to me those are simply replicas, and the AC Mk IV is actually the only legitimate “continuation” of the original Cobras- combining the body and chassis of the 427 Cobra with a more practical and usable small block motor. If anything, these cars seem undervalued."
" While Kirkham makes beautiful Cobras out of aluminum (inclusive of the Shelby branded aluminum cars), they are replicas. The AC Mk. IV is the real deal"
" If a new CSX or Kirkham is in the $300K-350K range…and revisions to a Mark IV would be in the $50K to $75K max, a Mark IV, with its provenace, before revisions/engine should theoretically be in the $200K+ range"
~those nasty Kirkhams......LOLOLOL!!!!
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09-13-2023, 01:43 PM
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Reserve not met at $131,000.
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09-13-2023, 05:19 PM
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Cobra Make, Engine: 70 Shelby convertible, ERA-289 FIA, 65 Sunbeam Tiger, mystery Ford powered 2dr convertible
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CowtownCobra
Some of the comments are just priceless -
" Legendary collectors like Lynn Park have plenty of Kirkham’s in the garage. Real Cobra people don’t spend much time arguing about replicas and kit cars."
"regardless of the quality of the Kirkham and Superformance aluminum cars, to me those are simply replicas, and the AC Mk IV is actually the only legitimate “continuation” of the original Cobras- combining the body and chassis of the 427 Cobra with a more practical and usable small block motor. If anything, these cars seem undervalued."
" While Kirkham makes beautiful Cobras out of aluminum (inclusive of the Shelby branded aluminum cars), they are replicas. The AC Mk. IV is the real deal"
" If a new CSX or Kirkham is in the $300K-350K range…and revisions to a Mark IV would be in the $50K to $75K max, a Mark IV, with its provenace, before revisions/engine should theoretically be in the $200K+ range"
~those nasty Kirkhams......LOLOLOL!!!!
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Just a note for clarification the next time a 20 year old thread gets revived
Superformance does not offer Aluminum cars of their own manufacturer, they are sourced from Kirkham for Shelby products only, not SPF.
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09-13-2023, 10:01 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CowtownCobra
Some of the comments are just priceless -
to me those are simply replicas, and the AC Mk IV is actually the only legitimate “continuation” of the original Cobras- combining the body and chassis of the 427 Cobra with a more practical and usable small block motor. If anything, these cars seem undervalued."
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I agree with every thing you said! One little correction, the MVIV cars were continuation of the AC289 Sport, COB COX cars. The C stands for Cobra, not Carrol, or Carol, as spelled in the AC ledger. Although, none left the Thames Ditton plant with the snake badges, though a few received them by their owners. I have written here several times, talking to a few owners in the UK, and they have nothing but praise for the handling of the AC289 cars, and I would imagine, the same would aply to the MKIV cars! Cheers, Dennis
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09-14-2023, 06:53 AM
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Reserve not met at $131,000.
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That just blows my mind
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09-14-2023, 09:29 AM
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That just blows my mind
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What? That it didn't meet reserve over 131K or that it got to 131K at all (my opinion).
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09-14-2023, 11:19 AM
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What? That it didn't meet reserve over 131K or that it got to 131K at all (my opinion).
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That anyone would bid that kind of money for THAT car. O M G 😲
Last edited by CowtownCobra; 09-14-2023 at 11:25 AM..
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09-14-2023, 03:41 PM
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Cobra Make, Engine: AK1085 (302 Street), HTM111 (427 Comp), CSX2375R (289 Comp) and COB5999 (427 S/C)
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We all have our passion
As it stands I think its low.
Alloy body, real AC.... Hmmm
Its low, its a car for the era and thats it. When glass cars with bolt on wheels are hitting 150+ its hard to argue an alloy car should be less. At least to rational thinkers.
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09-14-2023, 03:44 PM
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Cobra Make, Engine: ERA #732, 428FE (447 CID), TKO600, Solid Flat Tappet Cam, Tons of Aluminum
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Originally Posted by 1985 CCX
We all have our passion
As it stands I think its low.
Alloy body, real AC.... Hmmm
Its low, its a car for the era and thats it. When glass cars with bolt on wheels are hitting 150+ its hard to argue an alloy car should be less. At least to rational thinkers.
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Yes, perhaps if it just didn't look like crap....
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09-14-2023, 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by patrickt
Yes, perhaps if it just didn't look like crap....
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Hmmmm
I guess you didnt bid then?
Funny I only get compliments for mine, must be liars in the crowd.
I guess its saves on my embarrassment of ownership.
Should just leave it in the garage so as to not offend people .......
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09-14-2023, 06:58 PM
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Yes, perhaps if it just didn't look like crap....
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Patrick,
Just wondering - how many comments, over many years, have been favorable about the colour of your car?
Cheers!
Glen
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09-14-2023, 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by xb-60
Patrick,
Just wondering - how many comments, over many years, have been favorable about the colour of your car?
Cheers!
Glen
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When viewed in person, the color has been universally deemed to be the most beautiful shade to ever grace a Cobra.
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09-18-2023, 04:25 AM
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Too bad the discussion turned angry, but we do have such passion for these cars. Never seen one of these Autocraft cobras in person, and I've been around a long time and traveled far and wide. My guess is there are very few in North America, these qualify as the sad sisters of the cobra world. Very unattractive cars IMHO
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09-18-2023, 05:48 AM
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When viewed in person, the color has been universally deemed to be the most beautiful shade to ever grace a Cobra.
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Just three questions
1: You miss Evan, don't you
2: When did you realize you were colorblind
3: You really do miss Evan, don't you
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09-18-2023, 06:21 AM
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Originally Posted by CowtownCobra
Too bad the discussion turned angry, but we do have such passion for these cars. Never seen one of these Autocraft cobras in person, and I've been around a long time and traveled far and wide. My guess is there are very few in North America, these qualify as the sad sisters of the cobra world. Very unattractive cars IMHO
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I think you nailed it, most have not even seen one, let alone driven one of the ~155 units imported to the USA. I am partial however they carry better lines than most of the compared to cars. Different slightly yes, mostly to keep them DOT compliant. When at a show its never a negative as most see it as an alloy Cobra.
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09-18-2023, 07:50 AM
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1985 CCX, I like your car
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09-18-2023, 07:47 PM
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1985 CCX, I like your car
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Good eye.
I can attest, I have seen Jeff's car in person. The lines are beautiful and the green is stunningly British.
And with each car in Jeff's collection, the details are meticulous.
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09-19-2023, 05:46 PM
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Many thanks
I try
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09-20-2023, 12:02 AM
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This reminds me of one of the old racers when asked if he would drive his car, if the sponsor painted it pink, he replied, "as long as it was fast, he didn't give a *^#! what color it was!" Get rid of the head rest, and it would look a lot better! I have never heard an owner of a MKIV say they hate driving their car. Cheers, Dennis
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09-20-2023, 03:04 AM
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I was about to add my thoughts as a UK-person who has seen (and admired) countless MkIVs, but the Valium is kicking in....
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