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CSX 4027 · #**121** (**permalink**) 04-07-2003, 09:20 PM

The good stuff is hard to come by. Most don't make it from scratch and some that do make it from scratch try to make it too fast so it tastes like they just dunked the chicken twice in a pot of hot water...

--My mom's is the best I have had but, I guess I am biased.

KobraKarl · #**122** (**permalink**) 04-07-2003, 09:38 PM

Ohhhhhhhhhhhh............crap ,I always thought "cs" stood for Carroll Shelby ...........no wonder I have difficulty following some of these threads

Excaliber · #**123** (**permalink**) 04-07-2003, 09:41 PM

KobraJarl,

Oh man!!!! You mean to tell me CS stands for Chicken Soup??? Guess that makes him the soup nazi........

Ernie

Super-Snake · #**124** (**permalink**) 04-08-2003, 03:42 PM

First off I would like to make it clear that I speak on behalf of myself. The members here know exactly who I am and I have nothing to hide. I am not an employee of SPF and am not authorized to speak on their behalf.

In your longwinded and unorganized response you have continued to make multiple assumptions in order to create some semblance of an argument. Unfortunately many of your assumptions are false.

You have assumed that every company including SPF told CS to f'off without any discussions and as a result should be treated as such. You have assumed that a company that gets sued and settles before trial is guilty. You have assumed that SPF claimed to make Cobras. You have assumed that the FORD/SAI/SPF trial is over. You have assumed that Barrett Jackson is a fair indicator of car values. You have assumed that Steve and I have not had private discussions about the value of his old car. You have assumed that I have no knowledge or experience dealing with SAI or SAI products. You have assumed that I make a living selling SPF cars. You have assumed that no one has ever sold an SPF for more than they paid for it nor sold one for more than one would cost new. You have assumed that I can't afford an SAI car and as a result am jealous of yours.

What is it that they say about assumptions??…

Your comments in this forum continue to be the most odious pieces of effluvium. To call them mere speculation devoid of any foundation or technical merit is an understatement of titanic proportion.

Steve and I both agreed that his car sold at a minimum 25% premium.

In approximately 8 years there are over 1600 people that disagree with your humble opinion on the engineering, components, build quality/fit and finish, retail price and resale value of the SPF product and have purchased one.

I will also not venture to guess the number of people that have not purchased one that disagree with your humble opinion.

REAL 1 · #**125** (**permalink**) 04-08-2003, 04:46 PM

First its apparent you didn't read my post or if you did you didn't understand it.

1. I didn't assume every company told CS to "F" off. I clearly acknowledged there were a few, as I understood, that did approach him for licensing rights.

2. I didn't nor do I assume that a defendant who settles is "guilty". You infer too much to my statements.

3. I didn't assume SPF claimed to "sell Cobras". Its in black and white my friend. Just read some of their old ads. They even have the disclaimer in the bottom of their ad like all the rest that "Cobra" is a registered trademark but the nevertheless claimed (as of 7/02) sell "Superformance Cobras" and that they "don't sell kits they sell Cobras". So the acknowledge the proprietary right to the name but trade on it anyway. Hmmm.

4. I didn't assume the SPF/SAI litigation is over. Again you infer too much.

5. Barrett Jackson a fair indicator of value? Well its certainly an indicator. I also understand, if I recall correctly a Kimmons bodied CSX also sold on e-bay for around $160K. What a coincidence! In short a fair indicator of value of is that which a willing buyer will pay a willing seller.

6. I didn't assume you have no experience dealing with SAI products or SAI. In fact I believe you did being that your operations were located on the same site as HRE for a time. In the end what does this matter or mean?. I don't care whether you did or not. Were you a dealer. If you know more info based on you association or dealings with SAI tell us.

7. I didn't assume you make a living at selling SPF. I don't really care if you do or not, nor was it part of my thoughts. However, I did understand that your running your SPF dealership was just a "hobby" or part time business for you. So? Again, what does this prove or mean as to the issue? You are still a dealer right? Does it matter whether you make a living at it or whether you do it full time or part time?

8. I didn't assume that no used SPF ever sold used for more than it did new. I was asking. I do doubt it however. But I was asking. If any did please tell us.

9. No. I didn't assume you can't afford an SAI Cobra. I'm positive you could after seeing your collection of cars (very impressive btw). No, I don't think your jealous. Nope. Not at all.

But I do think you have a vested interest in SPF with an axe to grind.

Where are all your facts that the replica industry IS lilly white?

Now we have seen who has done all the assuming. Hmmm. Not me!

So you and Steve agreed that CSX 4027 sold for a 25% premium? You then happily characterize the buyer of CSX 4027 as a "pigeon". So you mean then its true value was really $100K. You then jump on the forum and say the car would be lucky to bring $75K at best. But then, no wait a minute, you say $75k is the bottom. Which is it?

You then assume that I am saying that those who pay $60K for a SPF with a crate 460 or a "trick" 396 are pigeons. I didn't say that. Whose assuming again????

No, I said some may think those buyers are pigeons when a fully completed turnkey ERA or a Kirkham roller is available in the same range. Why so sensative??? Could it be you have an axe to grind as a dealer for SPF??? Hmmmm. No, your response reciting and referring to the "1600 owners of SPF's" sounds nothing like a dealer talking. Yeah, right. Give me a break.

You seem to think it amusing to associate the word "pigeon" with CSX buyers but get alittle sensative to the statement that some may think spending $60K to $65K on a SPF puts you in the pigeon category. Why so sensative?

My comment goes not to the quality of the SPF. I think they are a nice product. By no means the best. But nice. My point is that some may think they are overpriced (just like CSX 4027, right?) and that those paying that much, when other options are available which in my opinion and I'm sure in others too are better , are well...never mind.

As to your last statement, thanks for not assuming how many people who haven't purchased a SPF wouldn't agree with me. That would have truly been ridiculous.

Excaliber · #**126** (**permalink**) 04-08-2003, 06:12 PM

I know one thing for SURE, I didn't "assume" anything about anything in this thread.

It's clear to me the general feeling is:
Nobody knows for SURE how it all went down, or WHO said WHAT to WHOM and WHEN it might have been said.

And we'll never know for SURE. C.S. is a sharp businessman, you will never know exactly what cards he is holding at any given time. The BEST you will get is running commentary from an INDIVIDUALS personal dealings on a particular deal. But C.S. will never confirm, and I doubt you will ever find any "contract" to confirm.

Actually, it's not a bad way to do business. His business with OTHER people is really none of my business in the end. BUT, I will will look for a ladder before I jump in a snake pit..........

Ernie

KeithBrown · #**127** (**permalink**) 04-09-2003, 06:14 AM

I just WISH I had the chance to be called a pigeon for owning a Kirkham or CSX 4000.

If that was the worst thing somebody called me - it would be a step up and I would be smiling all the way down the road.

Regards,

Keith

REAL 1 · #**128** (**permalink**) 04-09-2003, 07:27 AM

Keith: Yeah I'm proud to say that I'm a CSX pigeon!

Dan Semko · #**129** (**permalink**) 04-09-2003, 08:17 AM

Evan,
Turk owns a CSX. Does that make him a "Turkey"?

Jamo · #**130** (**permalink**) 04-09-2003, 08:19 AM

Damn it Dano--you beat me to it!

CSX 4027 · #**131** (**permalink**) 04-09-2003, 08:23 AM

Neither fish nor fowl can be used to describe
"Our Man Flint(Turk)"

computerworks · #**132** (**permalink**) 04-09-2003, 08:33 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by CSX 4027

Neither fish nor fowl can be used to describe
"Our Man Flint(Turk)"

..."foul" is getting close, though.

Turk · #**133** (**permalink**) 04-09-2003, 08:36 AM

I have chosen to be a Dove on this one. There is enough violence out there as it is. They are yelling fowl on some other thread where I am kept busy. SO I will not participate in here and there.

A bird in hand is better than two in the bush!

What is up with all the bird metaphors?

You guys are all Chicken$hit.

TURK
Soaring with the eagles on this one..

REAL 1 · #**134** (**permalink**) 04-09-2003, 09:41 AM

How do I make a pigeon noise on this post!

I'll try. Bdrrrr, bdrrrr.

Jamo: More accurately I would say our self proclaimed dove is a Turkey pigeon.

Jamo · #**135** (**permalink**) 04-09-2003, 10:39 AM

turkey vulture?

Paul Gillespie · #**136** (**permalink**) 04-09-2003, 11:00 AM

Pigeon = Rat with Wings

Super-Snake · #**137** (**permalink**) 04-09-2003, 12:14 PM

Once again, in the fashion of your hood rivets you have ignored the finer details.

It’s obvious that I will not share most of my experiences on this forum. You wouldn’t believe me, it would be a waste of my time, and accomplish nothing. I will on the other hand continue to enjoy poking holes in your arguments and occasionally ruffle your “feathers”.

First thing, please post the entire text of the SPF add that you describe. Additionally advise the copyright date.

Second, I decisively used the term “minimum” to describe the greater than 25% overpayment in the purchase price of Steve’s car. I agreed to increase the number slightly from 75k in consideration of the items in the car that could be sold separately at greater profit.

In the beginning of this thread a different clubcobra member used the word “pigeon” to describe a buyer that pays an exorbitant upcharge in the purchase of a car. I agreed to the use of that word in this scenario. I did not call all CSX owners pigeons and would not do that today.

If you would like to refer to yourself as a pigeon I have no problem with that. In fact over the past three years I have seen you called many other names. In many cases those names were much worse. If you were to twist my arm behind my back and force me to choose one against my will as my favorite I would select “WEENIE”.

Most SPF’s sell all brand new in the low 50’s when professionally completed with 351w’s. I am against the use of 460’s or sideoilers. Stroker motors are approximately $1500 additional. I used the number 1600 because that is fact. I am definitely biased and do feel that the SPF is the best product for the design and the money. Have I stated that before? No.

REAL 1 · #**138** (**permalink**) 04-09-2003, 12:27 PM

Supersnake: See ad back cover of the July 2002 Kit Car.

I agree with you on one thing. Being called a "Weenie" was one of my favorites too!

Super-Snake · #**139** (**permalink**) 04-09-2003, 12:43 PM

How about an ad published in Kit Car in May 2000 front back cover. It was copyrighted in 1998.

Most important lines.

1. Imagine an Original Ace rolling off the container ship, complete except for engine and transmission, waiting for a Ford V8 to be shoehorned under the hood, transforming it into the legendary Cobra. That is precisely how the Superformance 427S/C’s are shipped to this country, and how they are delivered to you.

Does that say SPF is a Cobra? It says it is shipped to the US the same way the Cobra was shipped in the 1960’s.

2. Superformance 427 S/C’s are meticulously engineered and crafted REPRODUCTIONS of the original, fully assembled and complete, except for engine and transmission….We love the legend as much as you do, and have gone to great lengths to build the most accurate and highest quality REPLICARS in the world.

Superformance admitted that they were building reproduction replicars not Cobras.

3. SPF logo included the phrase:

Superformance
Complete replicars

Disclaimer stated:

Cobra is a registered trademark. Superformance is not connected to the holder of that trademark.

Where exactly did Superformance claim to make a Cobra? If CSX 4000 is not a replica why would they get insulted if Superformance claimed to make the most accurate and highest quality replica?

Chaplin · #**140** (**permalink**) 04-09-2003, 12:53 PM

Super Snake-
If you have answered this already, I apolgize, but exactly what is the source of your self-professed SPF bias? Are you a dealer or just a very enthusiastic owner? Just trying to understand what hat you're wearing . . .

And I have no disagreement with you that SPF is a great car for the money.