Lets see Aluminum 4000 Values? - Page 5

Traveller · #81 (**permalink**) 04-29-2003, 03:14 PM

Thanks

Super-Snake · #82 (**permalink**) 04-29-2003, 03:20 PM

"I don't think he sees his car/Cobra as a "kit car" or competing with "kit car replicas"

Thats funny Evan. I was reading the April 2003 Edition of Kit Car Magazine during lunch. Guess who has a feature article juxtaposed to a full page ad?

SHELBY AMERICAN

Sal Gerace · #83 (**permalink**) 04-29-2003, 03:26 PM

[quote]Originally posted by Turk

[b]An aluminum block in a CSX 4000 Shelby Cobra, rather than the Holly Grail The Magnificent The One and Only Iron 427 Side Oiler?

Turk,
The csx cars built today can be looked at in two ways. A car built in the year 200?. Or a car built in the 60's. In the year.let's say 2030, would a buyer spend more for a car with the aluminum engine or a 60's iron motor when the car was technically assembled in the 2000's. In their own right even the cars today will hold their own in value. How about all the other things that need to be considered. Wiring, lights switches, guages..everything! I am going to be building soon and am trying to think of which way I want to go with my car. I figure since it's fiberglass it will never be totaly pure so why bother getting everything else original and maybe just use what Shelby offers now as the parts package. After all it is still Shelby stuff...right? Help!

Bill Kesner · #84 (**permalink**) 04-29-2003, 03:27 PM

Steve,

I'll refer to my attorney, and plead the 5th at this time.

Someone has to keep our most accurate Cobra since the demise of 4027 on his toes!

CSX 4039 · #85 (**permalink**) 04-29-2003, 03:39 PM

[quote]Originally posted by Sal Gerace

[b]

Quote:

Originally posted by Turk

An aluminum block in a CSX 4000 Shelby Cobra, rather than the Holly Grail The Magnificent The One and Only Iron 427 Side Oiler?

Turk,
The csx cars built today can be looked at in two ways. A car built in the year 200?. Or a car built in the 60's. In the year.let's say 2030, would a buyer spend more for a car with the aluminum engine or a 60's iron motor when the car was technically assembled in the 2000's. In their own right even the cars today will hold their own in value. How about all the other things that need to be considered. Wiring, lights switches, guages..everything! I am going to be building soon and am trying to think of which way I want to go with my car. I figure since it's fiberglass it will never be totaly pure so why bother getting everything else original and maybe just use what Shelby offers now as the parts package. After all it is still Shelby stuff...right? Help!

Sal- IMO in 2030 there won't be any gasoline, or if there is you will be imprisoned if you drive anything that gets less than 100 mpg! The car will make a helluva casket, though.
My opinion.

computerworks · #86 (**permalink**) 04-29-2003, 03:40 PM

[quote]Originally posted by Sal Gerace

[b]

Quote:

Originally posted by Turk

A car built in the year 200?. Or a car built in the 60's. In the year.let's say 2030, would a buyer spend more for a car with the aluminum engine or a 60's iron motor when the car was technically assembled in the 2000's.

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Sal, don't sweat it. There will be no gasoline left in 2030, so it's academic.

computerworks · #87 (**permalink**) 04-29-2003, 03:41 PM

(Brett ... you peeked at my post as I was writing it!)

SCOBRAC · #88 (**permalink**) 04-29-2003, 04:06 PM

Nice replica.. Mine looks better from any angle. With the money left over I can still pay cash for a Hummer H2 and a Nice used Harley..

SCOBRAC · #89 (**permalink**) 04-29-2003, 04:07 PM

Bill Kesner · #90 (**permalink**) 04-29-2003, 04:14 PM

Sal,

I totally agree with you. Build what you want! It will always be a Shelby Cobra no mater what you put into it. Just build it to have some major fun with. Some of us can point out some things to look for as options during the build, if you want?

- Bill -

casaleenie · #91 (**permalink**) 04-29-2003, 04:20 PM

In a very short period of time, all kits, reproductions, counterfeit, whatever will be called Cobras....No strings attached...
If it looks like a Cobra than it's a CObra....

REAL 1 · #92 (**permalink**) 04-29-2003, 04:29 PM

Hmmm, I've decided to sell my car....in the year 2029!

Bill: Slipping? Who? Moi?

Nope. Don't worry.

You are right in that CS got into the production and sale of his Cobras again because "supposedly" the kit car manufacturers told him to "F" off when he wanted a donation to the childrens heart fund. In return for the donations the "replicas" were to be licensed, not endorsed by Shelby.

When he got pissed off with the replica industry he decided according to what he said to give people a "second chance" at owning the real deal, a Shelby Cobra from SAI. This was his mantra and postion as to why he began the "continuation" series again. He clearly does not see the Shelby in the same league as the others. Witness his reference to the others as "copies made from junk parts", "counterfits", "embarrassments" etc, etc...

Brett is absolutely correct that current regulations which did not exist back in the 60's force SAI today to sell rollers or the car in component form. CS and SAI, I believe do not refer to the non rollers as "kit cars". They are referred to a "component" vehicles. To me this is semantics but nevertheless because of regulations the Shelby's are and must be sold much in the same manner as the "replica Cobras" or non Shelbys if you will.

So while the procedure for sale to the end user is much the same as the "Kit Car replica companies" the product is seen as being much different and in a different class by CS and SAI. Their position is clear. They sell Cobras not just a replica of a Cobra. A major distinction.

Mr. Supersnake: Thanks for reminding me about that ad. You must mean the one where he refers to "replicas as an embarrassment" right? Clearly he doesn't think of his Shelby Cobra as a mere replica since I don't think he would refer to his own product as an embarrassment. As such I think it establishes he sees the Shelby in a different league or class. I think it proves my point. Where better to advertise REAL Cobras are now available again then in a magizine read by thousands interested in Cobra replicas. When they see the ad many may opt to move up.

In short, while SAI may compete for the consumer $$$ with the "kit replica companies" the decision as posed by SAI is "why by a replica when you can own a REAL Cobra." I don't think they see their Cobra as just a replica competing with other replicas.

If the regulations forcing SAI to sell their cars in roller form to dealers today were in force in the 60's wouldn't SAI have had to sell the originals in the same way they do today in order to avoid all the emissions and DOT regs? I think so. Thus that must mean the originals would have been a "component" car too!

Cassalennie: You are dead wrong. Just because it looks like a Cobra doesn't make it a Cobra. Sorry. Wishful thinking.

Private owners can refer to their car as they wish and so can others NOT in the business of building and selling. In a gerneric sense we in the hobby refer to all these cars as Cobras.

However, the only cars legally and legimately entitled to be sold and marketed and called Cobras are Shelbys new or vintage or vintage AC Cobras.

I state the above as factual. Not in an effort to be a snob. I'm a nice guy. Really!

Since you referred to the fact that in a "very short period of time" all these cars will be referred to as Cobras. If you know something we don't please fill us in however. What do you mean?

Chaplin · #93 (**permalink**) 04-29-2003, 05:12 PM

Just as sure as the sun comes up in the morning. It is good to know that there are certain constants in the world.

REAL 1 · #94 (**permalink**) 04-29-2003, 05:31 PM

You mean I am constantly a nice guy. Right?

Chaplin · #95 (**permalink**) 04-29-2003, 05:34 PM

Of course, what else could I be talking about?

Excaliber · #96 (**permalink**) 04-29-2003, 07:36 PM

.......in a "very short period of time" all these cars will be referred to as Cobras.

A most curious statement indeed.

Ernie

Chaplin · #97 (**permalink**) 04-29-2003, 09:03 PM

Ernie-
I think he just said it because he's trying to make Evan's head explode.

captain · #98 (**permalink**) 05-01-2003, 12:08 PM

It's amazing how Shelby lovers swear to his words when dear Carroll will say whatever it takes to sell on a given day. I heard the top guy at Superformance say ol Shell NEVER asked Jim Price for a donation to the heart fund. In fact, Jim tried to reach Shell to OFFER a donation in exchange for an endorsment and Shell never returned his calls.
As to "stepping up", step up to a better product does not mean an SAI CSX4000. I prefer a safer chassis to the ladder and that means a different brand.

Allan A · #99 (**permalink**) 05-01-2003, 12:23 PM

Hey Captain and Teniel,

Are you a structural engineer, where do you hold your license. Please provide a copy of the calcualtions so I can have them reviewed. If you cannot provide any of these please, well then I guess that would end things.

Thanks,

Allan

REAL 1 · #**100** (**permalink**) 05-01-2003, 12:55 PM

Captain: I didn't say "step up to a better product" Whats better or a "step up" is purely a subjective call. To some better may mean fiberglass for whatever reason they have.

To some "better" or a "step up" may mean a square tube chasis over a round tube.

Clearly, to many "better" or a "step up" means owning a REAL Shelby Cobra/CSX 4000 as opposed to a replica of a Shelby Cobra.

Whatever floats your boat.

Also, I'm not so sure that the SPF chasis is torsionally stronger than the CSX chasis. The CSX chasis is pretty stout. Do you have the torsional strength numbers to compare? Just asking.

Moreover, even if the SPF (which again I've seen no proof of) is stronger torsionally in my mind its a big "so what". Who amoung us can state that the difference in torsional strength can amount to any REAL quantifiable performace difference on the track or that you have such skill as a driver it will be felt and make a difference. Well? Who?