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THE SPF COBRA IS MUCH....MUCH....BETTER THAN THE SHELBY COBRA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BETTER PRICE AND BETTER COBRA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NOW IF I BUY A SHELBY COBRA............THEN THE SHELBY IS MUCH BETTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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How's this for an advertising slogan???:

"OUR COBRA IS HARDER TO WRECK !!!

I wonder how many Cobra makers would be wiling to sign off on that one.

And one more thing. In the words of Hall-of-Famer Dizzie Dean,
"It ain't braggin' if you can do it." Think about it.

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Old 05-28-2003, 05:23 PM
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I agree with Ron.

Exception being the chicken scenario. That was kind of interesting to think about. Turk driving against his own car as his car goes over a cliff while Pat bails out. hhmmmmmm!!
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Update on Evan


1 Post stating his position.....
545 Posts defending it....

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Old 05-28-2003, 07:25 PM
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Evan:

It is "real" simple...

The CSX4000 Cobra is a "real" Cobra and in my words (please quote me!) just being near one is like being next to a living legend. Other than the money a "original" is worth, I would much rather have a "new" CSX4000 Cobra with the upgrades and the fact that it is a new car.

Where I disagree with Evan is this, he thinks the CSX4000 series (and the "original") Cobra are the BEST at EVERYTHING.

The specifications on the two Cobra's show "standard" setups for each company. The Superformance car is a little heavier.
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Bandit 1: Sorry to burst your bubble but I never said the CSX was best at everything. Where did you get that from????


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What's all this goofy talk about SPF being better or worse than a CSX? Hey its all about how the car is put together and how much money you spend. You can buy a FFR for a whole lot less and if its built right will perform with the best of them, for crying out loud! "If it aint made outta tin foil, then its got a frogger nozzle fer cheatin!!" Liberty Bell you schmell!!
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OK, Evan, i'll bit on that one.

Can you offer an opinion as to some way the modern CSX cars are NOT the best at one thing or another?

Personally, i believe on any roadcourse, given near equal power, gearing, and brakes, the modern CSX cars and the SPF cars would be very equal.

By the way, on the race scales at Rockingham, my SPF, Windsor-powered, empty of me and top and such, weighed 2410#

You could spit on the scale, and it would register the added weight.

Personally i have never been into the old Sears thing, where they had three classes of things, Good, Better, and Best. Remember those days.

Ran a tank of 93 octane thru mine today. Waxed it this weekend, too. The best of both worlds.

Accepting that there are far fewer CSX's on the road, how have they done in the Run and Gun, or the Car and Driver One Lap lately?

We are all proud of you Evan, America would not be what it is if our heritage had been blessed with Americans who stood up for what they believed in.

And often paid the price, i might add.

Hang in there, old buddy.
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"Everyones a critic"

After reading this latest "shin kicker" I am hard pressed to find any consideration which is not esthetic in nature.

Go out into your garage and look at your car......These are based on OLD cars, OLD cars with OLD engines ...OLD trannies OLD suspension....OLD seats....OLD wheels........THATS WHY WE LOVE EM !!......argueing the current RACE viability of any of these replicas or originals is laughable........more so if any of us are driving.

You can max these things out with the best race equipment available and they are still an OLD car design. ....Race cars??? they were certainly designed for little else .....but that was 40 years ago.

There are of course race formats for replica cobras and I'll bet most people doing it are having a great time. ...The results however will not be found on Sportcenter........and I'll bet no one is running big blocks of any kind!


Would I give up a tiny bit of torsional rigidity so i can LOOK at a 4" round tube frame ....Heck yea !

427../.. 460? what do you like ..?what can you afford..? which one is superior?............in a Cobra? thats just funny.......

Id pay $500 to watch you guys race your cars....for an hour..I'd bet I would pi$$ my pants laughing.

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Come on everybody, let's get down and get wit it! "Reynolds Wrap is the great food preserver".
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Bandit 1: Sorry to burst your bubble but I never said the CSX was best at everything. Where did you get that from????


Just look at 75% of your posts.
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I think CSX, SPF, ERA, & FFR should get together and sell cars sanctioned by the FIA to the CIA and FBI who will then franchise dealerships from NYC to FLA while recruiting members of the KKK to use STP on their BLT's.........
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Bandit,

I owned a SPF and liked it, I now have a CSX and love it. Will I go back to SPF nope. Was the CSX worth more to me hell yes, would I do it again hell yes, would I tell someone else to do it hell yes.

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Hal: Thanks for the pat on the back. But I NEVER said the CSX was better at everything. I don't have the techincal know how or knowledge to support such grandiose claims.

But what I have said to Bandit and others who are clearly stating EXPRESSLY that the SPF is superior and would be the "WINNER" to back up the claims with facts and/or emperical data (torsional ridigity figures etc...) Maybe Bandit 1 is right for all I know. I doubt it but I just want the facts. Thats all.

Bandit 1: I don't have to read 75% of my posts. I know what I said. I'm the one who said it. You, like many others here keep mistating what I have said.

Is the CSX the best at being a REAL Cobra and being of exact specification to original specification in every regard. Yes because it is one and it is exact to original specs. If thats what you want then its the BEST in that regard. So? Whats the problem? Those are not grandiose claims. Those are claims that can be backed up factually and with emperical data and facts.

Did I say it was the BEST at everything? No. Never. Don't twist what I've said.

You said the SPF would be the "WINNER" (whatever that means??? ) and is superior to the CSX because of its chasis etc., etc.. Just back it up with facts. Maybe your right in your claims. Just back it up. Thats all.

Facts talk. BS walks.

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Old 05-29-2003, 07:43 AM
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I think you hit the nail on the head: "Was the CSX worth more to me". This thread has turned into another of the type of Big Block vs Small Block, CSX vs the world, my Johnson's bigger than your Johnson crap flings. Remember why we buy these cars! We pick the one that's right for our particular circumstance, making the argument of which one is "better" a matter of opinion. Is my car the fastest, prettiest, best handling, etc. etc. in the whole wide world? Not by a long shot. Is it the best in the world for ME? You bet! Would I like a "better" one? Sure! If I could afford it. Were I in a position to buy either a CSX or SPF for even dollars it would be a tough choice, but the history that attaches itself to the CSX would certainly weigh heavily in the decision.
Evan, I agree with your opening salvo in this thread, that the majority would buy the CSX, because of the history of the marque. Other manufacturers products would have to be pretty special to outweigh theat history, and for many people, that would be the case. It all boils down to personal preference.
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This type of thread seems to really create alot of chat Jees. Back in 66 I had an r motor galaxy xl. Holman & moody blue print and it rocked!!! Well around 69 I got a used low mileage cobra 427 not 428 ($7000) and kept it for few weeks(mistake) but wifey one had one ride and that was it. But I still remember the rattles and heat in the cockpit. Hey a CSX may be "more authentic" cause it comes from the man but if its exactly like the "originals" I'll stick to my SPF. Turn off the motor at speed on a country road and all you hear is the wind in your ears and they are lot cooler in the cockpit. Unfortunatly I don't have the documentation on that car as wifey 1 and I parted I didn't even get my clothes let alone any papers.
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Which is the better track car? doesn't matter for 99% of cobras that will never hit the track more than one time.

Which is better parked at a car show? the CSX wins this one

Which is a better value for the dollar? SPF will be similar in all aspects most cobra owners feel strongly about, performance, appearance; but costs substantially less

100% originality in chassis design, component selection, true to the original blueprints will be worth more when you sell it, and is worth the extra money to many owners to have an original style cobra in all aspects, which is what the market prices reflect
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Old 05-29-2003, 09:02 AM
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In a comparison b/t a CSX with an FE and an SPF with a 460, both would lose to a much vehicle with much lesser cubes.

Did anyone see the June issue of Mustangs & Fords. They did an article of the 25 fastests Fords of all time. Number one on the list was the 70 Boss 429 (12.3 @ 112) and number two on the list was a 62 Shelby Cobra with a 260 (not even a 289)- it ran the 1/4 in 12.9 @ 114. Next on the list was a 66 Cobra 427 13.2 @110.

I guess there is something to be said for being able to put the power to the ground.
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Bob:

Let's get something clear here. My response is about EVERY time I compliment the way a Superformance Cobra drives, several people start comparing their manufacturer to Superformance and Mr. Evan has been the first to say that the Superformance chassis, brakes, etc... are no big deal and in fact is no better than a CSX4000 chassis.

I could care less that the CSX car would win a car show (if originality was the main concern). I bought my car to drive it FAST and unless people can't do math I would prefer to go fast then win a car show. I think the 460 engine family is 10 times better than any 427 S.O. engine and I sure wouldn't pay $10,000.00 more for less power and reliability.

It's "real" simple Evan, the CSX4000 Shelby Cobra is the greatest piece of artwork ever produced. It has (in my opinion) a legendary feel and look to it that no other can produce, ater all it is a Shelby Cobra. However, it's chassis and design is over 30 years old and it does not outperform any JBL, ERA, or Superformance Cobra (just to name a few). It was never designed by Shelby (the CSX4000 series) to be the "best engineered" Cobra, just the most "original".

Mr. FIXIT:

As I said before, I could care less about resale value, car shows, race tracks, etc.. I want a car that rides like the wind and is even faster. When the Superformance Cobra wins EVERY competition in a featured magazine article, Evan can be there to point out the "non original" style chassis.

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Magazines have a habit of doing poor comparasons, without standarizing the testing. They'll take other people's 1/4 mile times and republish them while comparing to a separate car run at a different track, on a different day, often during a different decade. I have seen my chevy vary as much as .7 seconds and 10 mph in the quarter at the same track, different day, just cause the track conditions changed. If they test vintage musclecars now, are they truly factory stock, or more like NHRA stock-eliminator , which allthough blueprinted to factory specs (mostly) are quite a different beast than what you would have drove off the showroom floor in the 60's. Apples and oranges comparisons are what car mags love to publish.

MPH in the 1/4 mile is an indication of HP, whereas ET is a function of traction.
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