CSX vs. SPF? 427FE vs. 460?

[BANDIT 1]

Mr. Chaplin:

I don't know if the "Mustangs and Fords" writers were having acid flashbacks or not, however the 1966 427 S/C Cobra was concidered the "worlds fastest production car" for over 20 years. The 12.2 1/4 mile @ 118 mph is the best any of the magazines at the time had one run. For them to say a 260 c.i. Cobra beat a 427 Cobra in a 1/4 mile race is not even worth commenting on.

[Chaplin]

I'm not making this stuff up- check it out pp. 12-13.

Fixit- You are right, magazine comaprisons are suspect. If you haven't seen it, in compiling its top 25 list, the article does rely on tests done by other magazines in the 60s. Take it for it what's worth, but I thought it was an interesting anomoly nonetheless.

[Alex Donghi]

I could be wrong but that Boss 429 was kind of a dog as I recall. specially on a road course. We had an original boss 302 that Larson ford ran at Dover drag strip and that puppy got up. (probably not stock). My buddy bought it after larson got thru with it Same situation with that GT500. too much front end weight.

[REAL 1]

Mr. Bandit 1: Where did we go wrong here?

Thank you for your compliment on the CSX Continuaiton cars. Seriously.

I have said many times I really like the SPF. Its a great car and product.

My gripe with your comments are your factual statements that the SPF is superior in performance to the CSX. I agree with Mr. Fixits statement that for 99% of us any difference won't make any difference to us.

But since YOU made the statements and keep making them I will keep asking for the proof and emperical data and facts to support your claims. Otherwise is just someone parroting the sales pitch of SPF which proves nothing.

[KobraKarl]

Hey, Evan, Bandit,

which gun is the best ;

375 h&h magnum....

#20 gauge Parker....

do I have to go to the lounge now

KK

[Chaplin]

Hey, who let you out of the lounge?

[REAL 1]

KobraKarl: Not as far as I'm concerned. But if one of our roaming moderators sees your post you could be punished.

[Edley Rondinone]

IMHO: Boss 429 was a "Super Speedway" engine, meant for Nascar, NOT drag racing or road racing; Ports and valves were WAY too big up until WOT.

[hodgey]

Of all the points made gentlemen, I think CSX4027 made the most sense. Now get me a match-head so I can light my stogy and singe my hair folicals!

[Spyderman]

Wow, who would spend all that money to get laughed at by 1000 people, and then bring it all up again just to look stupid again. Evan, You are doing more damage to the price of Shelbys and the value of your car than anybody else, and it makes me think the other replica makers have hired you for some sort of advertising deal.

[misfit41]

this whole thing looks grade school silly to me,,but I cant resist,,
an spf is a wonderful car,,well engineered and modern,that dosent make it betetr ,,just different,,I mean if we went by all this,,we would all drive c5 vettes for less money and hell with cobras,shelby cars are over powered,hard to drive and ride like hell,,thats why i want one,,who needs a boulevard ride any way,,it isnt a commuter car,,
460 is a good ,strong torque motor,,and they are CHEAP horsepower,,thats why they are popular,,351 's are the same,I have no doubts a 351 stroker spf will out 1/4 mile,and out handle a 427,but any one who has ever had experience with serious 427's never gets over them,,they are very special and in a class by itself,the statement that a 427 is 1/10th the motor is ludicris,most motor builders have never seen a 427,,much less driven one,99% think it is a bored 390,,or less than a 428, I looked at the shell valley show car at nashville 5/26,,it had a 460 crate motor,,it sounded terrible,,like a stock 351,who wants that in a cobra ?I urge everyone to get all the old info they can,,the 427 was legendary,and demised partly because politics put it out of competition,and partly because of high cost to build the parts,dont forget,,a 427 stock most likely had 450 or more hp,,what do you have to do to a 351 to get there ? try driving a stroked shelby block 427 with maybe 700 hp on pump gas to make it a fair comparison ,all things equal,,
I hate to think of what a dot approved new ford cobra would be like,,hopefully better then the ugly series 1,but I will keep my hot rod,,everyone has a tame and polite car,,give me the seat of my pants and white knuckles,,
I mean,,a nice tag or seiko may be keep better time,,and sell for 1/20th the price,,but it still isnt a Rolex,,you have to experience to really appreciate the difference,427's are the same,
why cant we all just get along ?no more prejidice,,hahah,Tk

[REAL 1]

Spydy: Yeah. Maybe your right. That must explain why a number of CSX Continuation Cobras sold for between $160K and $200K at BJ and Atlantic City.

[casaleenie]

Misfit,

Apparently you haven't priced a Tag out recently...

[Turk]

This thread made me rethink my choice of engines, and made me realize how big a mistake I must have made when I chose 1/10th engine I could have gotten.

Well, I am gonna do something about it.

FOR SALE:One 427.std bore, steel crank 0/0, 10:00 to one Comp. 427 Sideoiler. Built to perfection with only the bst modern parts available. 2 4V, MR. Iron heads, with Tunnel Wedge intake.
$26,500 .
Will accept a 460 or a 351 in trade in good condition and $24,800 cash.

TURK

[BANDIT 1]

You all can make all of the jokes you want and take what I say out of text.

Fact: The 429/460 engine has more parts available, better parts available, parts available for less money, is more reliable, has had more testing (factory and other), can achieve more horsepower for less money, and has been the Ford Racing engine Big Block of choice for over 30 years.

Fact: The 427 S.O. engine is a "rare" legendary engine that in it's time was the "Best Big Block engine Ford had". The engine is expensive because of the rarity of the engine itself, the parts available and the "supply and demand".

Mr. Misfit:

If you saw one 460 in person and it ran like "$hit", I would say the engine has problems. If I was to go with your way of thinking, I would say 75% of the 427 engines with weber carbs. were running "terrible" and 75% of the 428 engines with 2-4bbl. carbs were running "terrible". I however know the problems were the "setup" (adjustments, etc..) of the engines and not that these setups don't work.

If you think the 429/460 engine sounds "terrible", than you never liked the sound of Bob Glidden, Roy Hill, or Ricky Smiths Pro Stock cars (or any Pro Stock Ford Big Block engine of the last 30 years) . You must have never like the sound of the engine in Bigfoot or 75% of the Ford Monster Trucks out there.

Mr. Turk:

I have owned a 1969 Mach 1 with a 427 S.O. engine and a 1969 Torino Cobra with a 428 Cobra Jet engine. These engines and the 427 S/C Cobra are what got me into "muscle cars" and "sports cars". I loved both of those engines, period. In a Kirkham, ERA, and in a new CSX4000 Cobra the idea is to have the car "as close to original as possible", I understand this and have no arguements. However, a Superformance Cobra is not intended to have the original frame, suspension, transmission, etc... Because of this, why would I recommend a 500 horsepower 427 engine at $30,000.00 over a "custom" 520 c.i. 600+ horsepower engine for 15 - $20,000.00. There is no doubt that the 520c.i. engine would be more reliable and cost less for repair.

There is this "fiction" on Club Cobra that the more expensive the engine is, the better it is. While the 427 engine has it's place in history, it is not a better engine than the 460 engine. People here need to quit comparing a 460 engine pulled form a old Lincoln (not rebuilt, or rebuilt to "stock" specifications) to a $27,000.00 "custom" built 427 engine.

[BB427]

Short reply:
Drag racing = 500+ ci. 385 series
Road course = 351+ ci. small block
289 Cobra = Small block
427 Cobra = 427 what else?
All of the above = NO BOWTIES!

Type of car = Who cares....If you like what you have....perfect!

[cscott67]

Would make them all quicker and more reliable! ;o) Scott

[BANDIT 1]

Originally posted by BB427


Short reply:
Drag racing = 500+ ci. 385 series
Road course = 351+ ci. small block
289 Cobra = Small block
427 Cobra = 427 what else?
All of the above = NO BOWTIES!

Here is the revised list...

Drag racing = 500+ ci. 385 series
Street racing = 500+ c.i. 385 series
Top speed = 500+ c.i. 385 series
"Reliability" = 500+ c.i. 385 series
"Major horsepower per dollar" = 500+ c.i. 385 series
"First Place (in a race...)" = 500+ c.i. 385 series
Road course = 351+ c.i. small block
Overall performance, driveability, handling etc.. = 351+ c.i. s. block
"Original" like = 427 c.i. S.O.
"Unreliability" = 427 c.i. S.O.
"Overpriced" = 427 c.i. S.O.
"First place (car show)" = 427 c.i S.O.
289 Cobra = Small block
"Just plain wrong" = BOWTIES!

[REAL 1]

Bandit1:

Corretion-

Correct list is as follows.

427 Cobra = 427SO

Anything else is just plain wrong! Period.

P.S. How many 427SO have you seen fail. Mine is 38 years old and runs like a champ and starts first time every time.

[computerworks]

Originally posted by REAL 1


Bandit1:

Corretion-

Correct list is as follows.

427 Cobra = 427SO

Anything else is just plain wrong! Period.

No, correct list is:

427 Cobra = 427SO, 427 TO or 428.

"How many 427SO have you seen fail?" ...just about every one since they were new.