Shelby Registery Question

[HIQ]

Car with a unique history for sale on eBay. Is this car really in registery as a footnote or as a Shelby Cobra? Is there really a car without a CSX # in the registry?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...&category=6465

Call Me to Buy it right away - Can be bought for $159K.

Shelby Registry History :

1968 Coil Spring Cobra COB6132 is the last of the 300 some odd Coil Spring Cobras built and is documented in the Shelby Registry. Car was built as a series of 5 cars (COB Vin) for Paramount Pictures in a long chassis form for the filming of a movie - This car was never used and was repurchased by AC Car Ltd in the late 70s after storage by Paramount and subsequently shortened to the standard Cobra Chassis Length and Bodied with a correct aluminum Cobra Body. The car was subsequently sold to Armi Eigelveiter in LA who owned the car for the next 20+ years as part off a large collection. This car has 2800 Original miles and has a high compression 12.5-1 Motor with Ingelesse Induction (4 Webers) . Car has never been restored nor does it require any restoration given its original condition. Car is Red with White Stripes painted in Laquer.

This car has unique history and is considered an Odd Ball within the Shelby registry but this status makes it the most affordable Cobra in the market in the finiest unrestored condition with 2800 original miles. The car is a beast with a strong high performance motor. Requires 100 Octane or boosted fuel.

[REAL 1]

I have read about this car in some of the books I have. It apparently did not start out as a Cobra and had an extended chasis. It was in a movie for Paramount and thereafter converted to a Cobra.

I would confirm this is the same cars in the Cobra history books.

I would do some due diligence before buying it.

[computerworks]

COB6132 is indeed in the Registry, recognized as a Chassis-only.
Built by AC and shipped to Paramount (Rome) for the movies.

Never saw the U.S out of the factory, never went to Shelby, hence the domestic "COB" designation, instead of "CSX"

Angliss, later on, built it into a Cobra.

SAAC acknowledges this and considers the car a replica.

This particular car has been offered for sale for the last 2+ years.

[Excaliber]

IS that a 429/460 engine in that thing (385 series)? Sure don't look like a small block OR a 427 series engine judging from what appear to be the intake manifold to head bolts.

Ernie

[Bill Wells]

as mentioned, 6132 has been for sale several times in past 2 yrs. i believe it sold once. car is a legend in its own time, as it is a replica pre 4000/7000 series.

60s stretch chassis for movie studio that went withouot a body til early 80s when brian ingless put on a cobra body.

so while the serial was assigned way back when, it did not become a turn key til early 80s and it was a new REPLICA body then. as mentioned by someone else, simply another REPLICA Shelby. a nice replica but not the real deal as in ORIGINAL.

a tin can version 4000 would be a better investment today than this one as at least it would be a Shelby shelby . bill

[Dan Semko]

HIQ,
The above information is spot on and should be seriously considered, especially Bill Well's last statement concerning the investment. This car has a prodigal child background and has made several unsuccessful ebay attempts to find a new home.
The seller's reserve/asking price is well exemplified by the car's color and like the "red headed step child" adage, might be better off with a similar fate.

[HIQ]

Does anyone know who made the body for this car in the early 80s?

[computerworks]

Brian Anglis, the fellow behind AutoKraft

[Excaliber]

..so what kind of motor is in that thing?

As a "red headed" step child, it's still an interesting car with some "history". The only thing to be decided now is it's "value". It's got Webers, cool front headlights and you can't beat the color scheme (just like mine)!

Ernie

[ST]

According to the info page it's got a sideoiler.

When you get to the site click on classics.
http://concoursautos.com/pages/frames/main_frame.html

[Cal Metal]

At least he is being fairly forthright about the history of the car, even referring to it as an "oddball" by Registry standards. For the right price, this looks OK to me. There is some interesting history with a correct chassis. Not a total "excuses" car ,and certainly not the real deal, but interesting history, nonetheless.

The great thing about the Registry is that it is difficult for anyone to pawn off cars of dubious provenance. Credit Ned Scudder et al. at SAAC for developing such a great historical reference on these cars. Without it, many would find themselves in the same situation as many Corvette buyers, asking the time immortal big-block question: "Is it real or is it Memorex?"

[Traveller]

Cal,

What would be an example of a "total excuses car"?

Would those be the "Extenuation Series" Cobras?

[Traveller]

BTW,

That is an FE engine in the photo.

And I was also curious if anyone has the pic of the car as it looked in the movie?

[Excaliber]

A total excuses car MIGHT be:

That one CSX car that was burned up and considered "lost". Then the frame (or was it part of the body?) was "discovered" in Canada and the car was "rebuilt". THEN somebody "discovered" the OTHER part of the car (was that the frame or the body?) and it was "rebuilt" again! Uh oh,,,now there are TWO!

So when the smoke had cleared from the "law suit" ONE of the cars was given a CSX-R number. R for (Not Real) REPLICA!

Stand by for Cal or Ron to update on THAT thread discussion and/or the CSX number in question.

OR,,,,would a total excuses car be my Excalibur?

Ernie

[Traveller]

.....and to think that back in '67 Ford dealers couldn't sell em.........

[Bud Man]

In it's own way, an interesting car, I suppose. The "provenance" just doesn't seem to mean that much to the collectors.

Problem is, if this car was offered for sale in the late 80's early 90's before the proliferation of aluminium Shelbys and Kirkhams on the market (all for significantly less than $160K) it probably would do significantly better.

Today, there's just too much out there, most for significantly less money. But, as my dear friends Dad (a Mercedes dealer for 30 years) used to say.... "There's an a$$ for every seat....."

So who knows?

Bud

[Specialk]

I believe the current owners bought the car within the last two years.

[Cal Metal]

Excaliber pretty much hit it on the head with the "Excuses" definition. To me, any owner of such a car that has to qualify or explain its background as to why the vehicle in question does not measure up to what is deemed to be the correct standard for that particular marque.

[computerworks]

Remember, this car started out as a 9' 9" (117") wheelbase chassis-only. That is how it rolled out of AC Cars.

There's a good line in the Registry about one of the other "movie chassis" cars, that was built into a Cobra; it states that the proportions of the finished vehicle are so out of whack that they wouldn't even refer to it as a "replica".

I've got about 50 images of 6132...it's a pretty car, but wouldn't pass "accurate-replica-muster" against present day SAI or KMP cars.

[Nedsel]

A point that shouldn't be overlooked is that the seller(s), a dealership in Florida, like the prior owner, quote from the 1982 Cobra Registry rather than the more recent editions. This, of course, is because the later ones clearly explain what the car is in a less favorable light than the earlier books.

Fact is, the explanations offered here thus far are right on the money - COB 6132 was originally a long wheelbase chassis, with the B in the VIN denoting a chassis intended as right-hand-drive. It was sold as such to Paramount Studios, but was not needed for the movie they bought it for. Brian Angliss made it into a 427 Cobra replica circa '82.