Resale Value

[BANDIT 1]

Originally posted by mrmustang


No, the original poster asked "In a Superformance Cobra what engine option hold's it's value the best?"

To which my response is still the 428CJ, or 427FE of any variety. The 351W and 460 powered Superformance are a dime a dozen. if you want the greatest resale value, you need to make your car stand out from the crowd in regard to engines offered...You still don't get this, you may never get it...........


Bill S.

Mr. Mustang:

As I said in my "original" reply to this thread, I disagree with the 427 and 428 having the better "resale value". A 351W and 460 powered Superformance being a dime a dozen does not change that.

[casaleenie]

Originally posted by mrmustang


No, the original poster asked "In a Superformance Cobra what engine option hold's it's value the best?"

To which my response is still the 428CJ, or 427FE of any variety. The 351W and 460 powered Superformance are a dime a dozen. if you want the greatest resale value, you need to make your car stand out from the crowd in regard to engines offered...You still don't get this, you may never get it...........


Bill S.

Bill,

The last time I shopped a Superformance they were about $600K a dozen

[foothills gary]

I'm leaning more and more toward a Superformance,with a 427w from Coast Highperformance.You get 427 creds,with a 3year/50K warranty!That certainly can't hurt resale,plus you get the handling benefits of a lighter weight smallblock.I think if you want to appeal to the largest possible market who may not be nessarily interested in absolute authenticity over handling and performance,it may be a reasonable way to go.Makes sense to me anyway,enough so to bet my 50K on it!

[Excaliber]

I prefer a small block, I'm not at all interested in a 460 SPF for myself. But the question posed is "re-sale" value.

OK,,,,the PROBLEM with a 427 FE (in an SPF or any other Cobra) as far as "re-sale" goes is this:

It cost a LOT more money to put in a 427 as opposed to a 460. It is doubtful you will recover your "investment" because of that. But there is little doubt the 427 will sell for MORE money than a 460. Will you LOOSE more or less percentage with a 460 or a 427 then becomes the question.


Generally speaking I think you will loose MORE by putting in a 427, UNLESS you get a really good deal on the motor! But a 427 SPF will sell WAY FASTER than a 460. I bet you wouldn't even have to advertise it. When was the last time YOU saw an SPF with a 427 for sale? Thats a RARE car!

351W bored/stroked to 427? Not good in my book, TO punched out, TO "over the top" for that block. I'll take one a little smaller please. Alloy 427, like from Shelby? Cool, can I get that for say, $50K total package price? Dream on, IF you find one at that price, BUY IT!

Ernie

[mrmustang]

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Bill S.

Originally posted by casaleenie


Bill,

The last time I shopped a Superformance they were about $600K a dozen

[BlueRooster]

Ive read through this thread and excaliber makes a good point. If we have 2 cars bought second hand. (because Taters is going to buy it 2nd hand) One with a 460 and one with a 427. The 460 can be bought for 45,000 and the 427 can be bought for 55,000. Which will hold its value better on the 3rd sale. My guess is the 460, and I feel it would sell faster too....and if you put them on the market 3 years from now for 5000 less than what they were bought for the 2nd time it just exagerates this.

[BANDIT 1]

Mr. Rooster:

Mr. Excalibur basically said the same thing I have said through this entire thread. Just because the forum knows I am a 460 fan does not mean that I am always just talking about the 460 engine family. I have said that ALL non FE engines in a Superformance Cobra would "for the most part" have a better resale value.

[Turk]

To say one will loose more money selling a FE equipped Cobra because FE's cost more to begin with, is like saying, "Buy a black and White TV, because you'll loose less money when you sell it, since Color TV costs more."

TRUE!

Except you'll be watching Televison in black and white all the years while you still own it.

TURK

[cobrashoch]

I believe in the scheme of things it's mostly a toss up in values as it is now. The thing to really look at is the re-sale value of the type of car you want. To group all Cobras together is a mistake. For example what about a 427SO Factory Five car? HMMMMMM,,,,,,.
Semantics also change when future speculating about cars. For example what would happen if cheap 427SO blocks become available? Such a thing happened with the Chrysler hemi a while back you know.
No, the right answer is to first figure out what you want "out" of a Cobra. The re-sale stuff will take care of itself later. But as it is right now, things really are close. Funny how the market evens things out in the long haul.
Bandit 1 - I too would not "race" a SO/FE block. Same can be said about a 385/DOVE-A 4-bolt block. Just not worth the chance of destroying them.
They say a fool and his money soon part. Commentary on the current Cobra market.
Cobrashock

[CobraDan]

When SPF first came into the US the cars were bought with about a 50/50% rate as to BB versus SB(ask the dealers). Today 90% are bought with a SB, which would say if someone had to have a used SPF with a 427 he's going to be paying more for that Cobra(supply versa demand). Now with SPF, BDR, Shamrock, and Venom 427 all South African made Cobras and with equal enhancements and with the SPF being thousands of dollars more up front, and it being said the reason for the others being less is because of the failure of the South African dollar over the US dollar. SPF has not lowered it's price because they don't want their past customers to loose money on resale. What I want to know is who's keeping these thousand of dollars differance and not passing it on to their future customers so that past customers have good resale value.
Dan

[foothills gary]

If you look closely at the Superformance chassis you will see where the extra dollars have gone.It is extremely well engineered,with tubular double wishbone upper and lower control arms front and rear. You get Bilstein coil over shocks with H/R springs and 4-piston Wilwood calipers and vented rotors front and rear.This is a fairly sophisticated chassis,and drives like it!When the other South African cars are optioned to this level,the price difference is not that great.To the knowledgable buyer,this is where the resale value is,not necessarily in the engine selected.After all,the chassis is the heart of the car and what really makes it a joy to drive,or a brute.

[casaleenie]

Hey!,,, Which came first, the chicken or the egg?????

[foothills gary]

In all the research I have done,it would appear that all the names in Cobras have found their niche.They all have something that makes them special,be it authenticity,price,drivability,etc.This is where the difficult decision comes in.I can't help but think that most Cobra buyers are a cut abve the average car buyer,in that they have spent the time to research the products,and examine just what they want from the cars.When it's time to sell,I think our enthusium is what will determine a sale(or not!)

[mrmustang]

Rooster,

The problem is, if both used cars arer purchased at close to the same value (ok, say $4,000 apart), then where is the logic that the 460 would hold it's value better than the 427FE motor....The original poster said nothing about the price of the car, just which motor would hold a better value. I have seen some truly great buys on SPF's (and others) lately. Some with, some without the motors in question........Let's not think about cost of the motor, but the potential used purchase of the car itself.............


Bill S.

[KobraKarl]

..............is this a trick question??????????

KK

[BANDIT 1]

Mr. Mustang:

Are you saying that a 427 S.O engined Superformance Cobra sales for only $4,000.00 more than a small block or 460 engined Superformance?

Resale value is about the loss of the worth of the vehicle you are purchasing. If a 2000 4cyl Ford Contour (original price $15,000.00) sales for $6,500.00 in 2003 and a 2000 6cyl Ford Contour (original price $20,000.00) sales for $11,500.00 in 2003 than they both lost $8,500.00 in value. You are trying to say that the 6 cylinder Contour has the better "resale value" because it sold for "more money".

As I have said before, the 427 Superformance Cobra would sale quicker because it is a rare engine combination in a Superformance Cobra and some people just have to have the "original" engine in a "non-original" Cobra.

If we could get past this bull$hit we could get to the point that MOST Superformance Cobra's hold there value about the same. Regardless if there is a slight difference either way, I would recommend having the car built with the engine/transmission that meets what you want out of the car. I have found out that what helps the resale value of any Superformance Cobra is having the current modifications available and lot's of chrome in the engine compartment (just to name a few...).

[Excaliber]

...when you buy something on sale, you don't "save", at best you SPEND less.

Ernie

[mrmustang]

Bandit,

The original poster sounded like he was buying used, since the marketplace is a buyers market, it is likely that he could find a deal on a Cobra, as I had. Saying that you could build a 427FE powered car within 4K of a 460 powered one is indeed likely as well, you just need to be the smart shopper, as there are deals out there to be found.........Enough is enough, we can nit pick back and forth, however, the original answer will still be the same for any car. if you want it to stand out from the crowd (resale wise), you cannot follow that same crowd, instead, you must lead it..............


Bill S.

[Taters]

Mr. Mustang,

Your assumption is correct, I am looking to buy used.
As far as being a buyer's, I don't see it that way when it comes
to the Superformance cars. The SPf car's I have inquired about
are selling for 85 to 90% of the new price. I would not call that
a buyer's market. Actually I have never bought a used car where
the price is so close too new. The asking price on these cars is
very high, I wonder what they actually sell for. Since I have
never bought a vehicle of this type before, can you give me
some pointers in the art of negotiating a better price on one of these cars?


YOUR HELP IS APPRECIATED!

[mrmustang]

Taters,

The art of negotiation is where the buyer and the seller come to terms. You would be surprised how far some sellers will drop there price when real cash is waved in their face. The difference bewteen selling your car quickly, or putting a high price tag on it to make it look to your wife your trying to sell the car are two completely different aspects of "the game"..........I know of several SPF sales recently where the sellers were asking good money, but when push came to shove, and it was time to sell, they toomk as much as 12,000 off their posted asking price(s) in order to make the sale"............Sure you'll get people to try and stick together on private forums and little backroom clubs telling everyone to not sell below "X" amount, but sooner or later, it is going to happen............Just depends how desperate the seller is to get the cash in his or her hands............

Bill S.