New Shelby Cobras??

[Chaplin]

Originally posted by BlueRooster


What do you guys think will happen after CS passes. Do the prices of the existing CAV cars go up? How about the cars that are built after? Are the cars with a signed trunk or dash worth more? I mean he didnt race these cars, or build these cars like he did the originals, so I'm wondering if the "mystique" will still be there. I hope so 'cause the CAV looks like a nice car.

BR-
That's funny that you posted this because I was thinking of starting a separate thread with that exact question.
Here's my thought: After CS passes, value will not be affected because the CAVs will still be marketed and sold long after CS passes.

[Excaliber]

Ferrari MAY be an example of what MIGHT happen.

After Enzo passed the torch the price increase was immediate and breath taking! After a few years things calmed down and the prices stabilzed. You see this in areas of "life". Art, baseball cards, whatever. A "spike" in prices, followed by a "stabilization".

SOME specific models (cars, cards or works of Art) remain high and continue to climb after things have calmed down.

You can bet the 62 to 66 Cobras WILL increase a bunch, and won't drop "that much". The other Cobras? See above and place your bets wisely, SOME will be BIG winners, others, "also ran".

Ernie

[Ron61]

Ok, now my 2 cents worth. Evan, ( Real One ) has a legitimate Real Shelby Cobra as Shelby is the only person that Ford has authorized to use the Cobra name so far as I know. As for the semantics of whether it is a real REPLICA or a continuation Cobra, I don't think that is really important. So far as the body style goes, it is a replica of the originals, but the few that I have seen are much improved over the originals and therefore aren't true REPLICA's. The Continuation is a continuation of the car he made in the 60s with modern technology and is in fact a superior car. I know that if I could afford one, I would be definately looking at them and that is not to put down any other brand. But living in this republic, I figure any new car would cost about $450,000 dollars. The $60 to $100K for the completed car and the rest to buy a place and move to another state so I could register it. Real One has made some posts in the past that sort of came off as the I'm better than you because I have a Shelby attitude, but I really doubt if that was the real intent of the posts. Besides that he keeps things interesting. If we were to go there, then the only people in this club that would have a right to those type feelings are the ones that own the original Shelby Cobras. So be it a REPLICA or continuation, I like the new Shelby Cobras and would love to have one.
Evan ( Real One,)

As for Casaleenie, watch out for that other shoe. I know he said no, but wait a week before you believe that. Then it will probably be a boot.

Ron

[Excaliber]

Reference, Shelby "authorized" to use the name "Cobra".

This is a "gray area" I think, accurate and at the same time, not true?

It's more like Ford's choice to not make an "issue" over it with Shelby? Shelby does not install the classic Cobra emblem on his cars. That may be done "down the street", after you get it home or whatever.

In my oinion that does not "take away" from the fact that the car he makes IS in fact a REAL modern day Shelby Cobra. He is using the SAME techniques that he used in the 60's. "Out sourcing", "contracting", "supervising", "hiring the right people". He IS the "band leader", he IS "Shelby". His cars are "REAL"! Anything else, no matter how good or bad, is a "replica".

Ernie

[Ron61]

Ernie,

As usual you are correct about the gray area of the badges. What I was trying to get across is that to me, when he was trying to sell the Continuation Cobras and of course I think Calif. was the first state to refuse to let them be registered because some of the parts were not made in the 60s, I think his aluminium bodied cars are more of a continuation than the fiberglass ones. He never made any fiberglass Cobras in the 60s so how could a fiberglass body be a continuation of what he was building? However to me both points are moot as I do like the cars and would still like to have one. I wonder what would happen so far as the name issue goes if Ford were to start making Cobras, and not the Mustang kind. I also want a Kirkham, a Highlander Daytona Coupe, and about a dozen others that I can't afford. Wow, am I fortunate to live here where you can't register any of those types of cars so that lets me off the hook so far as buying one. The 500 numbers that SB-100 provided is already used up for the next 4 years I think. I know several people who have been waiting since late July for the 1st of the year so they can rush down and try to get one of those numbers.
Oh, by the way. The latest in [b]rumors[b] Gray Davis and bunch may retire to Hawaii & look into going into public service there. Just wishful thinking on the part of many Northern Californians. But who, knows, if we get the rumors going well enough they may think it is a good idea.

Ron

[HIQ]

I think that CS signed cars will be worth more after he passes. It will be a cool feature not available on the newer production.

I may be crazy but I think the folks getting in on this $39K SA product are going to be very pleased. My guess is that once these cars hit the streets and the order start rolling in SA will raise the price.

[Chaplin]

Originally posted by HIQ


I may be crazy but I think the folks getting in on this $39K SA product are going to be very pleased. My guess is that once these cars hit the streets and the order start rolling in SA will raise the price. [/b]

Hasn't SA stated that the $39k is a special introductory price and that the price will soon go up to $42k?

[Excaliber]

Indeed the price IS going up soon on the new CAV rollers.

As to registration issues that is the PRIMARY reason I believe the Excaliburs will continue to climb in value. I had serious concerns about selling mine, I think it is a good investment for the long haul. However, in my case the "market was up" big time, I took the money and ran.......... I may YET regret it!

Ernie

[Ron61]

Ernie,

How did the Excaliburs avoid the registration problems that other replicas have? Were they considered as a specialty car manafacturer or something like that ?

Ron

[Excaliber]

They were DOT certified by complying with various "standards".

Emmisions (cat converters, smog pump, etc.) "bumper" support and design, noise (VERY restrictive side pipes, etc.) and the BIG one. An "exemption" from other certain standards. It all came to an end when they basically lost their exemption and the cars had to be "crash tested" to get it back.

About 150 units sold. A great performer with certain "modifications" undone once you got the car home. Calif legal as delivered by the manufacturer.

Ernie

[Chaplin]

Ron-
I think Excaliburs were considered to be OEM cars and complied with all federal requirements, e.g., they had catalytic converters, etc., and buying one was no different than buying any new car at your local ford dealer.

edit- Ernie, you beat me to it.

[RedCSX]

let me add that as a new cobra owner, CSX arrives December. I personally would not have sold my 67 Shelby to buy a Cobra if the price of the CSX roller had not dropped down to the level that it is currently. One of the main reason I bought a CSX is because (IMHO) there is a better return on the CSX than the Superformance or ERA, it currently comes with more standard features, Evan you failed to mention that the shifter assembly now comes with the CSX. So price, standard features and history did play a part in my purchase.

as mentioned before. A spread sheet would be a fantastic idea.r

One more question. Is this the longest thread that has ever been on this forum?

[Chaplin]

Originally posted by RedCSX


One more question. Is this the longest thread that has ever been on this forum? [/b]

Not by a long shot. By in large this thread has been very respectable and people haven't really started calling each other names yet, that's when they get long. But there's still time. . .

[REAL 1]

Russ: With all due respect I think you just took a smiling leap into the ridiculous with the cloning argument.

We as human beings are all unique and have all our past life experience and quirks of personality which are unique to each of us. Even identical twins have different personalities and life experiences. Would clones have the same interests, intelligence, talents? I don't know. Do you? There was only one Dale Ernhardt. He was born. He had a specific mother and father. He had unique life experiences that can't be replicated. He wasn't originally mass produced to a specific specification by design like a car.

We are talking about Shelby Cobras. Inanimate objects. They can't be compared to human beings. They are products which are man made, mass produced to a man made design, licensed, trade marked and sold. I don't know enough about cloning or what the end result really is compared to the person from whom the DNA is taken but I do know its alot more complicated than fabricating a Cobra and involves serious moral, ethical and scientific problems.

But I guess if you were to argue hypothetically "if" you could majically make Dale Ernhardts all exactly like the original and they all had all his memories, knowledge, talent, experiences in memory down to the last detail and you legally named them all Dale Ernhardt then I guess they would be REAL Dale Ernhardts (exactly replicating the original). Just not the original.

I can't believe I actually got sucked into this one.

Ron61: Thank you for your observations. I have been saying what you said for a long time. Many just flame me regardless. I'm just pointing to the present facts as they exist. They are not secret, they are not unknown, they are not disputable but irrefutable. I have time and time again pointed out that my posts are 99% of the time in response to what someone has said and not intended as a put down to any other car.

Blue Rooster: Some say when CS passes the CSX's original and continuation will go up in value. Who knows though. After Ferrari died the value of some Ferraris did go up but came down later.

Some say that the cars made while CS is alive will have greater value than those after. Who knows.

I don't care. I just enjoy my car.

[Tout]

Question? I know that most states accept CSX 4000 cars as a continuation , but if you read the fine print if there are and differences , Al vs fiber glass this would void being original . Any comments/ concerns? Tout

[daltondavid]

I am concerned. How are these cars able to be registered say in Pennsylvania where I live and not in California??

[casaleenie]

Originally posted by Excaliber



You can bet the 62 to 66 Cobras WILL increase a bunch, and won't drop "that much". The other Cobras? See above and place your bets wisely, SOME will be BIG winners, others, "also ran".

Ernie [/b]

Ernie,,

He ain't Picasso. Shelby built 1100 cars and that's it... Those 1100 cars will always be worth a lot of money...Shelby is not personally building these new replicas...He's still alive and building replicars..Picasso did originals until the day he died.. Some will have sentimental value to a buyer but for the most part I can't see these replicas going crazy in price... If people are buying these cars as investments I don't see a big payday here...
The 62 through 66 Cobras have already become objects of art. Carroll Shelby quit building the real Cobras long ago.. If it wasn't for the replica builders that picked up the torch and built cars Shelby would be a footnote in regards to the Cobras.. It's possible that the replicas that have been built over the past 25 years are the reason that the originals are worth what they are.
The replica manufacturers are the ones who made the Cobra what it is today....

[TerrysSPF]

Evan & RedCSX: Both of you guys have mentioned that you think the SA CSX cars come with more standard features than ERA and SPF. I have been looking at all 3 Rollers and would say that ERA probably comes with the least amount of "standard" equipment (I think it's because a lot of ERA guys like to build their own, or do a partial build, and like to "customize" their cars with different equipment, so they offer a lot of choices verses "standard" stuff). But the Shelby doesn't come close to having as many standard features as an SPF does. As I stated in a earlier post, by the time I added everything to the SA CSX car that I was getting on the SPF as standard, the 3K difference (37K vs 40K) ballooned to almost a 10K difference (and it will be an even BIGGER difference starting in November when the CSX rollers go to 42.5K!). Hal pointed out a lot of the features found on a "standard" SPF earlier, and I heard they are now coming with a larger rear swaybar (the Olthoff upgrade) as standard equipment, and they also upgraded to a polished spinner on the new models.
A couple things you forgot to mention that you HAVE to pay extra for on the Shelby roller that most people would probably want (and these are all standard on SPF):
Lemans Striping: 1225.00
Heater / Defroster: 875.00
Tonneau cover: 750.00
Door map pockets: 275.00
Oil Cooler System: 975.00
Glove Box: 275.00
Side view mirror: 75.00 (they even get you for a mirror!)

The brochure says the car comes with leather seats, but under "options" they have listed: Leather seats assembly: 1450.00 and also: Leather Interior S/C package: 1450.00. *I don't know what that means (?).
They also don't list a bonnet top for the Shelby (standard on SPF) under "Standard" or "Options". Do they come with one? If the tonneau cover is 750.00 than what do you think the top would run?? The shelby is also set up for a 4-speed and if you would want a 5-speed, it's another 200.00 for mount modifications. I would imagine that if you want to put something other than a FE in it, you would have to pay extra as well since it's set up for a 427 (I can't argue with them about that though!). It also comes with 2-piston Baer brakes vs. 4-piston Wilwoods on the SPF. One nice feature, however, is the 23 gal fuel cell vs. a 17 gal for the SPF. Need all the gas you can get in these thirsty beasts!

[Tout]

In doing the registration on my car , the defining print in PA would make a CSX glass car the same as a replica or special build car. I do know that the two area sales people are getting cars done as 1965 cars , could there be any back lash if these are cought in the future ? Tout

[RedCSX]

Terry,

OK lets review this option list. Keep in mind that this is comming from someone living in California (You know it never rains in Sunny California!).

Lemans Striping: 1225.00 - Why do you want to be like everyone else? Hell, how many original Cobra came with Lemans stripes?...ZERO Ordered mine "red with no stripes", made my dealers day by saying that!


TOP ($2500.00: why do you need a top? These car are not taken out in the rain, had a 67 GT-500. Used the wipers on the day I bought it then never again.

Oil Cooler System: 975.00, Will come standard on the car, originally was going to be an option.

In addition may come standard with the batteries (200.00 value)

Mirrors: I think it will come with a center mirror. One on the left side would be OK one on the right would be useless.


Leather interior: orignally the car was going to come with vinal seats. they changed their mind and decided to offer the leather seating standard. This would have been a 1,450.00 dollar option as you mentioned that would have included glove box. I was told that you could not get the glove box without the leather package.

Door pockets: Hey I did not knoe the had a door pocket option on the 427 SC version?!

Heater, I thought that was the 427 that I am plnning to install!

Defroster: If you don't have a top, you will not need this option!

Tonneau cover: 750.00, I think it is a good option, your right, very pricey, might have it done locally.

Mount for TKO II: Everyone has told me that a 5 speed just will not hold up behind the 427 or 428, if I plan to open track the car, which I plan to do sometimes.

40 gallon fuel cell ($2,500.00) forgot to mention that option, would not even consider it.

Please do me a favor and list all the standard features on the superformance and what are their options.