"Continuation series" Shelby MUSTANG on e-bay for $160,000 - Page 3

mr bruce · #41 (**permalink**) 08-23-2003, 05:49 AM

Let me get this rite. I go find an old car, say a 1956 Studybaker,that's already been titled and licenced, flash it with a coat of fresh paint, and some new body/mechanical parts, put a few more numbers in the VIN,since I am a licenced "auto mfg" and can issue new mso, FOR CARS THAT I BUILD from raw materials, and now it's a new car,that I can issue a new MSO with? Like Al Borland used to say"I don't think so". Seems to me sumbuddy's trying to use their version of a "time machine"

4RE KLR · #42 (**permalink**) 08-23-2003, 06:52 AM

Not trying to stir the pot here but isn't this what titles unlimited got into hot water for.

I do not know the answer.

This is a question

NOT a statement! Please do not rip my head off, I don't know the answer!

mrmustang · #43 (**permalink**) 08-23-2003, 06:56 AM

Hey Steve,

Titles unlimited got in trouble for allowing the "washing" of VIN's from one car to another. This is called fraud, as they are not a licensed automobile manufacturer. In the case of the new "GT500E", the cars will be using the original VIN, but will have an additional serial number designation added to them like my original Shelby convertible did when it left Fords plant. All done quite legally...............

Bill S.

REAL 1 · #44 (**permalink**) 08-23-2003, 07:02 AM

I think we all know what the car is. So do the buyers. Its a redone Mustang. Totally restored and dressed out.

I happen to like the car. I think its cool. You may not like the car. Its subjective.

But obviously the guys who are shelling out 160 thousand clams for one must like it.

I happen to think its priced way too high for what it is. But thats my opinion and time may prove me wrong.

Would I like one. You bet! They are neat.

Do they belong in the registry. Well, maybe they have a place in the registry as a Shelby product or custom. Obviously SAAC accepted it. They don't have a problem with it so why should you? It doesn't dilute for one second what you have or I have or others have.

Why call CS insulting names. In case you haven't noticed many celebreties look to profit off their name. We do live in a capitalistic society. I think its absolutely ludicrious why personal attacks are launched at CS because the GT500E has been accepted to the Registry and are selling now for big bucks. What did he do wrong or to those that have again cast aspersions his direction?

The car is not being misrepresented. It has been individualized with an additional series of vin #'s setting it apart as a speicialized vehicle. If you don't like it. Don't buy it. If you think its overpriced, don't buy it.

Turk very astutely pointed out the lengthy thread regarding Cobra snobs. I think alot of guys just identified themselves as Cobra snobs.

In the end anything is worth what others will pay for it. Right know it looks like the GT500Es are worth anywhere from $160K to $190K.

GeorgiaSnake · #45 (**permalink**) 08-23-2003, 07:22 AM

Let me be the first to offer my vote to Turk for moderator of the day.

We are allowed to rip the paint off of a car we don't like and comment on its value or lack of. We do not need to attack the old man that brought us the very car we all love.

I doubt CS is sitting around his house dreaming up these continuation deals or the endless litigation, but rather some slick bussiness types approaching CS with off the wall ideas to fatten their wallets. Who among us wouldn't put their name on something if it offered financial gains. Who among us wouldn't feel ripped off if someone took our idea and made a bundle.

Now it's off the soap box and to the garage to replace my front seal. It's been nearly a month and I need my fix.

Randy

computerworks · #46 (**permalink**) 08-23-2003, 07:34 AM

Hi Evan.... I disagree.

1. The car is frickin' ugly, but that's subjective, I will state that I have good taste and know ugly when I see it.

2. Collector cars merely have a value equal to what someone is willing to pay... no buyers, no worth. The recent high-priced auction sale may have been a little insider-trading, so to speak.

3. These cars simply have no place in the registry and SAAC should change their minds. The cars are neither built nor sold by any legal entity connected with Shelby or Shelby Automobiles. If they put this mutt in the next book, they should also have sections for Motorcycles, Guitars and Caramel Corn.

...and neither should Sanderson's next-year product, which has been leaked as a 1965-66 GT-350.

I do agree that bashing the endorsement is naive and wrong... it's strictly business and there's nothing wrong with that.

Durt · #47 (**permalink**) 08-23-2003, 08:15 AM

Turk -
Thanks for the reply. I think we're both clear on our opinions, but let me clarify one point - my contribution to the forum was in no way an endorsement of yet another recall. I'm sure your abilities as moderator are considerable, your supporters legion and your position secure. I simply felt that the only item that warranted the hook from this thread was the offending epithet.
But if the board has to endure regular slugfests over brand names or an inordinate amount of Shelby bashing, I suppose I could understand you wanting to nip it in the bud.
BTW, I am far from being a loyal Superformance acolyte.
Other than that, I find a lot of the comments about the Mustang on e-Bay pretty interesting, however unsavory.
The entire Cobra industry is a highly unregulated and occasionally unscrupulous arena. Curt Scott has had his biscuits burned for daring to be critical, and I found his guide extremely valuable when I bought my car six years ago.
I just wanted to make sure I knew the ground rules before I got my fanny handed to me for being something other than a cheerleader.
Once again, thanks for the civil and informative reply.
Durt

Lew Ledyard · #48 (**permalink**) 08-23-2003, 08:19 AM

This car will probably sell on ebay, though not to a "real" buyer. These guys want to make the market, therefore it is likely that a "friend" will bid it past the reserve. This way they can say that they have sold one at Barrett-Jackson and one on ebay each for more than $160k. Of course, the ebay transaction will never really be consumated, but that fact won't make it into future promotional materials.

Just my guess.

Excaliber · #49 (**permalink**) 08-23-2003, 08:49 AM

Call me anal,,,but I'm still a little fuzzy on the title thing.

A new legal VIN and an MSO is not yet a "title" of ownership. What "year model" will the car most likely get registered as? Or, like a Cobra, it's up to the individual state your titleing in?

In Calif you would never meet 2003 emissions, safety, etc.

Ernie

SCOBRAC · #50 (**permalink**) 08-23-2003, 10:41 AM

Like anyone here couldn't put that car together for $60k and have enough left over to walk into SAI and pay cash for a CSX car...

svobud · #51 (**permalink**) 08-23-2003, 03:30 PM

Quote:

Calling Carroll Shelby "money grubin POS" is over the line. We ask for self control in personal attacks. Here is a thread there is not even a dissenting voice. There is not even a debate or an argument going on in here.

In that case, that kind of language without any provocation is nothing more than bathroom graffiti

Don't!!

Well .. that's your opinion, and I stated mine concerning BOTH that over priced Mustang and the Man who thinks his fairy dust of a name will turn it in a precious unobtainium alloy. The 'old man' sues anything moving that could be 'trade dress' mistaken as something he sat on once. Including those hard to find - super rare - Shelby Port-a-johns sideoilers. Which I'm sure, if the market went nuts for them ... he would mysteriously find a bunch of them in his basement (yes, sarcasm).

I don't see Carroll on this thread so where did this step over the line as a "personal" attack? Rhetorical. Obviously .. it "personally" offends you.. and a few others who still worship the guy. I got that much. I suppose in the future, I'll keep my "over the line" comments about your hero off your forum.

Quote:

Do you really mean that?

Pat Buckley

Yes, I do.

Real 1 - I've met ALOT of Cobra Snobs .. funny thing is, NONE - Not a single one of them owned a FFR. Go figure.

computerworks · #52 (**permalink**) 08-23-2003, 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by svobud

I don't see Carroll on this thread so where did this step over the line as a "personal" attack? Rhetorical. Obviously .. it "personally" offends you.. and a few others who still worship the guy. I got that much. I suppose in the future, I'll keep my "over the line" comments about your hero off your forum.

My, my, Bud...that's quite a chip on your shoulder. Scanning your past posts, I have seen you to be very cordial. Clearly you feel strongly about this particular issue.

Where did you step over the line? ...wishing somebody dead.
Anybody.
Yeah, please check those types of comments at the door.

You're welcome here for discussions... not to pick a fight.

Ron
ClubCobra Moderator

Turk · #53 (**permalink**) 08-23-2003, 04:30 PM

When I sign a post as "CC MODERATOR" I do so only on instances where I find a post offensive to most. I don't respond to posts as the moderator that are only offensive to me. I respond to them as plain old TURK.

As moderators Ron and I are asked to make some value judgment to what is acceptable, and what is not. For the time being, you will have to live with our standards.

Scary thought is, what would have happened if you were the moderator. What would the next thing from your keyboard be after you wished CS death!

We all have our heros. Mine is Kobe Bryant. If you had said something unflattering about Kobe, I wouldn't have responded. Certainly not because someone was cutting down my hero.
Had you have wished a certain death to Kobe Bryant, I would have responded in the same fashion.

It is really not complicated.
A person does not have to be present for you to vent out hatred before the foot comes down. There are other places where you can do that and talk behind someone's back. Not here. Not now.

We are even handed about this I believe. Test it, have a friend or a relative come in here and post something as vile about YOU as what you did, and see how long before we ask them NOT to.

Then there is the possibility we may let him/her carry on and not say a word. Do you want to take the chance?

If after the clear explanations you still don't see the errors of your ways and want to openly debate the moderators, you only stand to alienate yourself from the group.
This is a playful fun loving group of men and women who would like to keep it that way.
If your expectations are less that that, you are in the wrong place.

Try this for a test. Go to FFR Forum and use the same language toward one of the Smith Brothers (BTW not one of them deserve such) and see how long before you are escorted out the door.

Here, you are still here!

TURK

Just because someone is not "IN", is no reason for insults and death wishes. The criteria for proper decorum is NOT whether they are at their keyboards.
We strive to behave the same here as if someone is always watching.
Someone always IS.

Turk · #54 (**permalink**) 08-23-2003, 09:53 PM

Ron,
When you said

Quote:

If they put this mutt in the next book, they should also have sections for Motorcycles, Guitars and Caramel Corn.

it depressed me. When I get depressed, I eat.

I guess with all this talk about things that don't belong in the Registry, there is no reason for me to hold on to this thing any longer.
Gawd, I hope you are right. Otherwise I ate some real expensive collectible Caramel Corn".

Since I took the picture, it is ALL GONE. I ate it all.

computerworks · #55 (**permalink**) 08-23-2003, 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Turk

Otherwise I ate some real expensive collectible Caramel Corn.

Since I took the picture, it is ALL GONE. I ate it all.

...you have more depression coming...if I read the label right, you bought the fiberglas corn.

Turk · #56 (**permalink**) 08-23-2003, 10:00 PM

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

TURK

John A. Simpson · #57 (**permalink**) 08-23-2003, 10:45 PM

If I remember correctly several years ago someone came to Shelby and asked why he never built any convertible 350 GTs. I don't remember the details but it seems that they found 6 1966 Mustangs and completey rebuilt them, new everything ending up with 6 brand new convertible 350 GT Shelby Mustangs. Sold for a pretty penney too. I don't recall there being any controversy, just appreciation for doing something that maybe should have been done to begin with. Of course he never pretended he found them out back of his shop either which may have started many of the ill feelings we see now. Seems obvious that his attacks on the replica industry are responsible for a great deal of the malice felt towards him. If he just built his cars without all the trash talk about everyone else, a lot of this bashing would never have started in the first place. I don't understand why we have to stoop to his level.

My hat is off to the moderators for their effort to keep this site from becoming like some the immature trash talking sites elsewhere. We have a good thing here.

Bill Kesner · #58 (**permalink**) 08-24-2003, 12:53 AM

I have to agree with Ron. The car is butt ugly! I especially like the Thunderbolt hood! If I were to guess what this car should be selling for..... I would guess around $55-60K. Anything more would be a waste of money in my opinion.......but I'm no expert.

- Bill -

PatBuckley · #59 (**permalink**) 08-24-2003, 07:50 AM

svobud-

Thanks - I just wanted to give you a chance to show that you aren't such a child.

I usually reserve my "I wish they were deads" for people like Hussein and Idi Amin....not other car guys who have done more for my enjoyment of cars than you could ever do if you lived for a thousand years.

Take care - I guess I will test out the ignore function now...

Pat Buckley

Lowell W · #60 (**permalink**) 08-24-2003, 08:25 AM

Hey you guys... Am I missing the point here? If CS could take a new Mustang and trick it up and sell it as a "Shelby Whatever", why can't he take a used Mustang and do the same thing?

Who buys it and why is another issue entirely.