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09-02-2003, 02:36 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2000
Location: Fairfield, NJ, USA,
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Cobra Make, Engine: A & C, 351W, Tremec 3550. Exiled Member: Club Cranky
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Jerry,
A friend of mine just got one from TriStates and it looks really good. He also dropped the rear a bit. Don't exactly know what that is but it is supposed to round the rear a bit more than it is.
Roscoe
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09-02-2003, 02:49 PM
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My fiberglass bath tub holds water better than your aluminum bath tub!  |
09-02-2003, 03:06 PM
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Location: Bay Area,
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Cobra Make, Engine: What Cobra?
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Ron,
How many hours do YOU have in your car so far?
TURK
Seriously!
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09-02-2003, 03:31 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Greenville,
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Cobra Make, Engine: 70 Shelby convertible, ERA-289 FIA, 65 Sunbeam Tiger, mystery Ford powered 2dr convertible
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Want to bet.....Just look at my avitar (it was in an FFR). You would be surprised just how much water was in the car that day........
Bill S.
PS; Of course my Contemporary has a convertible top, so I have yet to fill it with water to see just how much it can actually hold in comparison.........
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My fiberglass bath tub holds water better than your aluminum bath tub!
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09-02-2003, 03:38 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Bradenton Florida,
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Cobra Make, Engine: BDR 930, 427 Windsor T56
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Originally posted by RACERAL
one thing I see about all the cars is..... ffr gives you the chance to build a nice car or a crappy car..... its up to you...
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09-02-2003, 07:08 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: New Jersey,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Shelby Cobra CSX4206 aluminum body, original 1965 NASCAR 427 SO, Dual quads.
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Davidg?: The FFR frame is better than the original? How so? Hmmm.
I think RACERAL said it best. FFR can be a great car or a poorly executed car. Depends on the builder and parts used.
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09-02-2003, 08:08 PM
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Can I say what I REALLY think without causing a big hoop la? Ah,,,maybe not, what the heck, here it comes anyway!
I don't like the trunk, the pointy thing the center light sits on. Other cars have a similiar design, Mid States comes to mind, even more! Maybe it's more "original" in appearance that way? What ever, I don't care for it myself.
And the way the lower portion of the rear fenders sit a little high, exposing the bottom of the gas tank, I don't like that either. And I worry about how "stout" that glass body is (compared to say a Classic Roadster).
Andy Rooney,,,,uh,,,,I mean
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09-03-2003, 06:36 AM
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09-03-2003, 07:16 AM
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Cobra Make, Engine: FFR2573 & FFR 3265CP
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Real1,
Nearly all the currently produced replica's have a better frame than the original.
The materials alone are nearly twice as strong as those produced in the 60's.
Not to mention the current building/Welding techniques.
Brad
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09-03-2003, 07:29 AM
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Location: Northport,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Kirkham, KMP178 / '66 GT350H, 4-speed
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Originally posted by REAL 1
Davidg?: The FFR frame is better than the original? How so? Hmmm.
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Evan...Brad is correct.
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09-03-2003, 11:22 AM
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Cobra Make, Engine: Shelby Cobra CSX4206 aluminum body, original 1965 NASCAR 427 SO, Dual quads.
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Ok. But what constitutes better? Originality and accuracy of design? Rigidity? Weight?
I've heard that a frame that is too rigid may not be as good as a frame that has some flex. Is this true.
I've never heard of an original frame that failed under racing conditions.
The originals did just fine in competition thank you.
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09-03-2003, 11:35 AM
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I understand the original frames were subject to "sag". Over what period of time and the specifics I don't know!
As far as racing goes it wouldn't be a stretch to assume that "over time" the 289 FIA cars (for instance) did indeed require some "frame work" of some kind.
The 427 frame was bigger. For what purpose? More rigidity because there was more weight on the car? More "torsional" stress with the big block? Or to overcome the inherent "sag" problem? Maybe all of the above, I don't know.
The statement made here about FFR frames being stronger than original to me is like....."So what else is new". Stronger than say an ERA, SPF, Classic Roadster, SAI or Kirkham car? I doubt that. Most likely ALL the re-creations have stronger frames than the "originals" had. Which is NOT to say the "originals" were weak, but could have been better.
Ernie
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09-03-2003, 11:38 AM
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Evan....what can I say...you're hopeless.
I started a big long tech answer, but...I stopped... it wasn't worth it.
"I've never heard of an original frame that failed under racing conditions."
...what structural/chassis failures HAVE you heard of on 'originals'?
The originals did just fine in competition thank you.
..so did Fiats. What does that prove? So do ALL replicas that finish in the money at track events.
Suffice it to say that the CHANGES that were made to YOUR frame....that makes it DIFFERENT than the originals...make it BETTER.
Your argument has no purpose and no finish line.
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09-03-2003, 01:52 PM
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As stated earlier...the FFR is a great car if built by the right person with the right parts. That said, I think most here believe that if one is to invest the time and money required to make a FFR a great car, they MAY want to consider other options.
IMHO it is an issue that you can have a trick FFR built to perfection while the guy next to you can have a donor FFR built to "garage" specs and you both own a FFR. This would bother me, but just because it bothers me doesn't make me right (I don't even own a Cobra so who I am to say).
The guys posting here who own FFR products have lots of time and money invested in their cars and have every reason to be proud of them ........just like Evan!
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09-03-2003, 01:56 PM
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HIQ,
Are you saying that ......Evan.... has a right to be proud of his Factory Five ? 
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09-03-2003, 02:26 PM
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Hopeless? Yup.
Are the chasis of today stronger than the original Cobra chasis. Some I'm sure are.
FFR Spec Racer is a neat car. Maybe one day when I have some more spare time.
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09-03-2003, 03:38 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: columbus,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Unique 427 roadster with 351C-4B
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Ladder frames
Ladder style frames are weak by design. Heavier material helps but will never overcome the design. Triangulation, stressed skin, cages, etc all help a bad design. Some are better then others. Not one of us will ever know for sure which one is best
Frames should not flex! But I am sure there is a point of diminishing return. I would think that some of the replica frames rival or best the originals, some don't. I would think that the new cars from Shelby have stiffer frames than the originals. Point is, you can make some good guesses looking at a frame but that is all they are, guesses.
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09-03-2003, 03:43 PM
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FFR spec racer is a VERY cool car! To me it is their best product in that it is really the best of class. Their "standard" product on the other hand competes in a very COMPETITIVE field.
FFR Cobras can be NICE or they can be CHEAP, but I have never seen a NICE CHEAP FFR. If you buy one because you like the frame or just think it best fits you needs, ENJOY. But don't buy the kit based on price.
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09-03-2003, 04:34 PM
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Location: Plantersville,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Self Built, 427 USRRC, 427FE, Toploader
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now what do you think?
rem,
don't worry about the frame on a FFR, it's about 2.X time more rigid in the cross flex arena that the current pick up you might drive. never have seen a frame on a CSX3XXX car fail, only the drivers. as to the "sag" comment, don't think so. That said....IT IS NOT A OFF ROAD CHASSIS, if one looks for that type of strength, get a HUMMER!
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10-24-2003, 02:12 PM
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Cobra Make, Engine: FFR MK III
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Quote:
Originally posted by decooney
Ozona,
this is another great point about the FFR. It seems you are not held to a specific build or type that hurts the value too much on an FFR. People build them with 302s, 351, SuperChargers, 4.6, V-6 Turbos...FEs, and various wheel and tire combinations with custom adds that make them sort of personalized - which is kind of cool.
One of the more fun and interesting things I look for now is who is trying and doing something different!
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I just ordered an FFR kit the other day. I shopped ERA and a couple others. All make wonderful products. The deciding factor for me was the fact that I have a 500 HP Pontiac motor sitting in my garage. Nobody in their right mind would put that in one of the more expensive kits. I also wanted to do all of my own fabrication and customization. I am going the non-donor route, and using it as an opportunity to study every little piece of the car and research all of my options. When I am done, I will have exactly the car I want and have the pride associated with building it from the ground up.
I am sure I will get some interesting looks and comments from "purists" when I open my hood, or they notice the 315's on 18" wheels....... Hopefully, I will not be upset by peoples comments. Bottom line is figure out what you want to do with it, figure out if resale value and time expended is worth much to you, and figure out who you are trying to impress. Are you trying to have fun, or are you trying to impress people. If you have a cobra replica, 99% of the people you meet will be impressed no matter which one you go with or how crazy you get.
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