CAV/SAI Cobra and Shelby Registry

DKing · #1 (**permalink**) 11-25-2003, 01:44 PM

For those of you who have questions regarding the new CAV/SAI Cobras and whether or not they will be in the Shelby registry, here's the official word from the source, as quoted from Gary Patterson, Director of Marketing, Shelby Automobiles:

"ALL Shelby cars will carry the CSX serial number and Carroll himself signs every MSO and they ALL go into the registry."

computerworks · #2 (**permalink**) 11-25-2003, 01:56 PM

I don't think there ever was a doubt about that... they carry a legit CSX4xxx number

DKing · #3 (**permalink**) 11-25-2003, 02:14 PM

It was brought into question on another thread. I thought I'd go to the horse's mouth and get an answer, rather than suffer the unsubstantiated conjecture that some unnamed ClubCobra members banter about.

Just thought I'd share what I've found in case anyone was confused by what they've read on other threads.

By the way, I may be heading up to Las Vegas to check out a CAV/SAI Cobra in the near future, now that the stock market is warming back up. Gary tells me they're putting a 427 in a demo car and that it should be done in about a week. I'm looking forward to it!

SNAKEYE · #4 (**permalink**) 11-26-2003, 01:33 AM

Well another horse's mouth in Cape Town South Africa told me that CAV automotive are not operating at the moment for financial and technical reasons. The day they start full production on the SAI car I will eat my words....

Specialk · #5 (**permalink**) 11-26-2003, 05:58 AM

Oh yeah, I hear from THE horse's mouth that they are.

Who ya guys gonna believe, innocent 2 post SNACKEYE or me?

SNAKEYE · #6 (**permalink**) 11-26-2003, 07:59 AM

Well, I guess time will tell.....

I agree my story is less believable because of all the hype about the new Shelby car.

I am not saying Shelby is not going to build it, what I am saying is that from what I have heard it ain't going to be done by CAV in Cape Town. I hope for Shelby's sake I am wrong.....The obvious reason Shelby is trying to manufacture In South Africa is because the car is cheaper to manufacture (Who knows though with the weakening rand ??)...and I bet he really wanted to p#ss in the back yard of Superformance....

if not CAV where is he going to go ?

Malta ?

Turk · #7 (**permalink**) 11-26-2003, 08:12 AM

Snakeye,

Kris works for Shelby. Who do YOU work for?

TURK

DKing · #8 (**permalink**) 11-26-2003, 10:05 AM

When I started this thread, I almost appended it with the following request:

"Whiney-butt Shelby-bashers are requested to go find another thread to snivel their unsubstantiated conjecture. Thanks!"

After reading the "Snakeye" post above, I realize that I should have included the request from the beginning, and so I am saying it now.
I've read posts by Snakeye (all three of 'em!) and there is a clear bias against Shelby in his posts.

By the way, Mr. "Whiney-butt" Snakeye, this thread is about the Shelby registry, not the activity level at the CAV facility. If you cannot participate in an intelligent, meaningful fashion then perhaps you should go play in another sandbox and spare us having to read your posts.

What is intelligent and meaningful? How did I know you would need to ask... Well, for one, identify yourself. You don't indicate where you are from, what you drive, or any relevant information to distinguish yourself as a source of useful information. Second, name your sources. If you look at my first post above, I name and quote my source, including his title. On this thread and on another thread you espouse purported "facts" without stating your sources of information.
Without identifying yourself and naming your sources, your input in neither meaningful nor informative.

One last point: If you work for a replica manufacturer and have joined this thread (joined NOV '03?) in order to read the market and spread FUD (fear, uncertainty, and doubt) about the Shelby cars, don't you think you should have taken a less transparent monicker than "Snakeye"? Duh!?

nikbj68 · #9 (**permalink**) 11-26-2003, 11:05 AM

Ok, THe CSX Shelby issue is clear enough, but what about AC production, in particular, the composite versions? (if they EVER happen!)

computerworks · #10 (**permalink**) 11-26-2003, 11:14 AM

Although r-e-a-l-l-y speculative, I think that is pretty clear as well.

If AC (or a derivative) makes a new Cobra, carrying a COB/COX number, it follows that the Registry should pick them up in the same way they have picked up the CSX continuation cars.

The proposed composite Aces, not being Cobras, have no place in the SAAC registry.

REAL 1 · #11 (**permalink**) 11-26-2003, 11:19 AM

Odds are Mr. Snakeye has a SPF or one on order.

nikbj68 · #12 (**permalink**) 11-26-2003, 11:22 AM

Thanks, Ron, I didn`t make that quite clear enough. I know the Aces won`t be in the register, as weren`t the originals, what I was after was will the "Maltese Composite" 'Cobra`s' bear a recognisable Chassis no.? My gut feeling is that they have no place in there, as there will be no actual Shelby involvement with these.

Still hoping for good news on the AC front, (and particularly a lifting of the false-fog surrounding Lubinskisms)
Nik.

Cal Metal · #13 (**permalink**) 11-26-2003, 12:05 PM

My suspicion would be that, if CS does not have a financial stake in the car being represented, it will not see the light of day in the Registry, whether it be AC or any other manufacturer.

Personally, and I don't wish to raise anyone's hackles here, but SAAC needs to make the distinction between those cars that are truly historical and responsible for the creation of the Cobra legacy and those cars that have not made such a contribution.

Excaliber · #14 (**permalink**) 11-26-2003, 12:14 PM

Cal, good point. As time goes on the waters could become quite "muddy" indeed.

If C.S. is indeed in a partnership with AC and if those cars carry a CSX number I think they should be included in the SAAC. Man, that is going to be one THICK book in the future!

I recently checked out a Dodge (Durango?) Shelby Edition. 360 V8, super charged, special interior, air dams, etc. Pretty nice looking ride, I was impressed! Are these types of cars/trucks/SUVs also included in the registry?

Ernie

Turk · #15 (**permalink**) 11-26-2003, 12:16 PM

They should be in the RAMgistry. Not in Shelby Registry.

TURK

nikbj68 · #16 (**permalink**) 11-26-2003, 12:20 PM

100% agree, Cal.

REAL 1 · #17 (**permalink**) 11-26-2003, 01:31 PM

Cal: I agree with you that there should be a distinction in the registry between the originals and the continuation series cars. I believe there already is a distinction made though.

However, if you listen to some people around here they believe the replicas are responsible for the and preservation of the legacy. I don't buy into that hooey as I think the Cobra made itself a legend and would have been a legend without the aid of replicas.

nikbj68 · #18 (**permalink**) 11-26-2003, 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by REAL 1

...I think the Cobra made itself a legend and would have been a legend without the aid of replicas.

Let`s face it. if there were NO replicas, all you`d have is 8 or 900 Cobra`s selling for 10 times what they do now...if anyone ever sold one, and they`d ALL be safe in museums.
No. The replicas didn`t make a legend, they feed those hungry for the legend,they make accessible that legend(in whatever form, from fully authentic Kirkham-esque levels down to those bearing only the fleetingest of resemblances.), and,as we see, they do not prevent the legend from perpetuating itself!

BlueRooster · #19 (**permalink**) 11-26-2003, 02:01 PM

Evan, I dont think anyone would dispute that the Cobra would remain a legend with out replicas. But, you wouldn't have your car if it wasnt for replicas, and this website would not be here, certainly not in the magnitude that it is today without them.

I also think that replicas driving around creates a new generation of enthusiasts. In 50 years, when all of us 40+ year old guys are dead and buried who is gonna carry the torch? At that point I'll doubt that there would be many people driving a $3mm original around. The replicas keep people interested in the car. Its an attainable goal, it gives you something to shoot for.

REAL 1 · #20 (**permalink**) 11-26-2003, 02:09 PM

nikbj68/Blue Rooster: What you say is true, however, the fact remains that the Cobra was a legend in its own time and would have been an automotive legend with or without the replicas. Period. Why do you think the car was replicated?

The replica industry did add to the visability of the car and help to perpetuate its tremendous automotive presence in the public eye and did make owning a car replicating a Cobra a reality. No argument on these points. I also agree that CC would probably not exist if not for replicas.
I also agree with the statement that my car wouldn't exist if not for the replica industry.

My point was a simple one.

Also, most (not all) originals don't see the light of day that often anyway especially the 427s. As to their value if there were no replicas I can't begin to speculate.