SB-100 has nothing to do with the CARB (ARB) and the air recources board will do nothing to help. SB-100 was one formerly powerful man's way of getting around the CARB. It worked...
Former State Senator Maurice Johannesen needed a way to smog his new CSX car. Thus we have SB-100 (senate bill 100 2001) It $ucks ass but it is better for most of you that are using anything but a 1965-68 ford engine in your cars. The way the old law read, if you had a 198X engine of any displacement you needed 198X smog controls which would have come on that engine, whatever year the engine was was the smog devices you needed to have. CARB maintained the old standards of emission allowances of ppm or grams per cubic centimeter of exhaust. There is no maximum in the legislation passed as SB-100.
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A man that is young in years, may be old in hours, if he have lost no time. But that happeneth rarely. Generally, youth is like the first cogitations, not so wise as the second. For there is a youth in thoughts, as well as in ages... Sir Francis Bacon (1561-1626)
A man that is young in years, may be old in hours, if he have lost no time. But that happeneth rarely. Generally, youth is like the first cogitations, not so wise as the second. For there is a youth in thoughts, as well as in ages... Sir Francis Bacon (1561-1626)
The way I see it...kit cars and hotrods are pretty much done from here on out in CA. Would you invest 30, 60, or 90 K in a car that you "might" be able to register? It's gonna get REAL interesting this year.
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The old way is how I got my car legally on the road in Calif.
It is a 1991 vehicle with a 1969 engine. Yes, I have to jump
through hoops every two years. What's the big deal? In Calif.,
the year of the engine is what drives the requirements for what
belongs on the car. You bolt it all on, kiss a little BAR ass, get the
coded sticker put in your engine compartment, drive the car home,
leave the stuff on the car or take it off. Put the Holly back on, whatever. Two years down the road, DMV lets you know it is time
to take the cobra to a smog test site. The sticker not only has a coded description of what your engine (for that year) needs but
the sticker also has it written in text.
If some of you for one reason or another don't go through with the SB-100, it is not the end of the world. I feel your pain, I have wanted to strangle a couple people in the process but once you
make it through the initial hoop, the every two year hoop jumping
is not so bad.
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I've been following this thread and biting my lip. First I heard 125 SPCN's issued, then 150, then 265, now 300. The rumor mill is alive and well. The folks I dealt with at DMV were helpful and knowledgeable. I stood in line for my appointment - I was respectful - I paid what was required - I received 2004-0040.
Take all the time you usually spend on this site and instead:
-Write your local legislators
-Go see them and be a general pain in their ass
-Organize within CA and within your clubs to ensure the same
-Evangelize everyone else affected. Cross polenate to hotrod shows, etc.
I honestly mean it. Feel free to come here to vent (I cannot tell you how much it pains me that your legislators and you let this happen which is why I am posting this and I hope the 49 "other" state members read this thread knowing that this is what happens if you do not stand up for fighting this crap), but you also have to change the course of history. It isn't easy, but do what you must. Best wishes for success. Remember, you elected a new governor. That is only a start. What changed in your local representation? Those are the dirtbags that went along with the old regime!!!!!!
What difference does it make what year engine the car has, when the car we are trying to register are cars that were assembled from scratch and DON'T have a VIN number.
I too can live with the smog issues, if I can get the car even registered.
I am having a hard time believing that the number is up to 300 since DMV is not doing this on a Saturday, but I would be willing to bet they WILL be gone by Tuesday or Wednesday at the latest.
So there is no contradiction in folks not being able to register their cars. It is a matter of Tuesday or Wednesday.
I am glad some of you had no problems. Everyone who does show up at DMV in the next 360 days WILL.
Yes, it may be time for some sort of an organized effort. In won't happen until few thousand between now and end of the year realize that they can't get their cars registered.
Not everyone is on ClubCobra, and some people are busy working on their cars and getting them ready for paint etc.
There is a very big Hot Rod community here in California. They are likely to do something about this long before we will.
Jamo,are you saying that there is still an alternate method of registering the cars outside of SB100?The biannual smog check is no big deal on an older engine,especially a mildly built street engine,if that option lives.My original plan on my car was to use a 1963 390 in my car because I thought engine year was the only option,not being aware of SB100 at the time.It wasn't particularly a hassle in 1990,the steps being basically the same as now.Is there reference to this anywhere at the State DMV website?
Yup, and nope...you won't find it on the DMV page. If the 500 are gone, you will be registered for the current year, and your smog requirements will depend on the year of your engine.
Course, you can always go back and use SB 1578 and change it if you get one of the 500 in the next year.
Thus, pick the right motor, make sure you have the necessary smog equipment (even 1955 and newer required PCVs), pass the smog check initially and every two years thereafter...unless and until you get one of the 500 numbers in any year and swap it over...and you'll be just fine.
Thanks for the excellent question...timely. Folks need to remind themselves that the sun does not rise and set on the 500 places. There were a "few" Cobras running around in California before 2002, and not all of them had fictitious registrations.
Turk;
I have been out of the loop on registration changes but let me know where things don't go down like this:
1. car is done being built.
2. One day permit to drive unregistered vehicle via DMV.
3. Show up for your appointment with the CHP. Vehicle identification number assignment.
4. Get in line at DMV with your building cost receipts and insurance
verification.
5. Temporary (red paper on window) registration permitted by DMV.
6. Show up for your appointment with the Bureau of Automotive
repair.
7. Convince the BAR that you are registering a 1965/66/67, whatever year engine. They do look at the casting # on block.
8. Satisfy the Gods at BAR with agreeing with everything they suggest. Knee pads don't hurt either.
9. Accept the BAR sticker (You are done!).
10. Go back to DMV and get in line. Show them the paper work from the BAR.
11. Accept the License plate and registration stickers from the nice
lady behind the counter.
12. Drive the hell out of the car.
I honestly thought the 500 limitation was a requirement set by CARB! It sounds like you know more about this than I do. Can you tell me how the 500 number was choosen? I'm looking into this because I'm curious to know the working details behind all of this.
I have only been paying attention to SB-100 Registration process.
SO what you guys are telling me, as long as I have a vintage engine I should have no problems getting my car registered in California, SB-100 or NO SB-100?
A question. I talked to a person in our DMV, ( no rocked scientist by far ), about if you have a 1964 engine, could you still register the car using that and not have to mess with smog. I was told yes, you can use the year of the engine but the car is still a 2004 and will have to meet emission requirements unless it is done under SB-100 and has that exemption. Basically what I was told, if I bought a 2004 Kirkham, I would have a 2004 Cobra with a 1964 engine that has to meet 2004 emission standards. That is not possible as the 1964 engines had no smog pumps and all that crap. When I asked how anyone was supposed to get emission equipment for an enging that was built before they even coined the dam word, I was basically told that is my problem. Now I only talked to one person but I am sure if I talked to others I would get a dozen different answers. So how would you go about getting a car registered using the engine year without haviing the SB-100 SPCNS number. Short of moving to New Mexico or Wyoming I mean.
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Yes, ...'tis true what you say.
I lived in Kaleefornia when I was doing the engine build on my Kirkham. Originally going for one of Shelbys aluminum blocks, but given the registration laws I opted for a standard bore 1965 dated side oiler block.
In Texas, the registration process is a bit more enlightened.....for now. Eventually, I believe their auto titleing and registration policies as they apply to specialty built cars will follow Kaleefornia's. Other states, too. The Feds will mandate it. If that happens, it may help to have such a block if you want to street it.
Hot Rodding as I/we know it will become more and more challenging to pursue as a hobby everywhere. Enjoy it while you can.
The person you talked to is a freeking idiot government moron that our tax dollars are being wasted on. He/she should get the hell off the planet. I have no patience for government folks that are stupid.
Here's how it works (non-SB100): Your car is registered under the SPCN rules as a 2004, which means it has to be smogged because it is made after 1976/younger than 30 years old. The next issue is to what smog levels...that is determined by the year of the motor...in your example, 1964. It is required to have the smog gear that it used in 1964, and pass the smog test for 1964.
Now, say a few years from now, you decide you don't even want to mess with going to a smog station every two years...go stand in line on January 2 and get one of those 500 spots and use SB1578 which makes SB100 usable for previously registered SPCNs. BTW, you aren't re-originally registering it, so you're not going to pay taxes when you do this...just some fees.
Take a large cal. gun and go shoot that lamebrain. Tell them you're from the post office...maybe life in prison, but no execution.
BTW, Meat has assplained this a zillion times in the past...but nobody pays attention to him, because he's Meat. Hmmm....just thought of something... Hey Meat, mad cow?
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