CA Registration - Turk was right

[Ron61]

Jamo,

Thanks for the answer and explaining that. As for the rest I get the feeling they must be ex IRS people as they seem to make the rules and enforce them differently every dam day. I even showed that moron the 289 in my 65 Comet and that it had no smog except a PCV valve. Next question was, When was the last time I had it smog tested. That was when I left. I really try hard to not lose my temper and say things that may come back to haunt me, but this state is really making that hard to do any more. I won't even go to this DMV for anything any more as they seem to get their people from the state mental facility at Vacaville. That doesn't mean you Turk.

Ron

[Bud Man]

Jamo;

Whats worse is that eventually all of the states will be as @#$#@* up as Kaleefornia but you'll STILL have the great weather!!!

Bud

[SkipB]

OK guys! Think positive thoughts as we head into Monday. I am one of the people who assumed a registration service could get a car registered in California! What was I thinking? All I know is they have all my paperwork and hopefully will get an SB100 number for me before they are all gone. Does anyone really know exactly how many were issued on Friday? Is it also true the DMV set aside 100 numbers to take care of last year's registration fiasco? I just hope there is just one little number left for me when all the dust settles tomorrow! If not, there may be a brand new Backdraft for sale in San Diego! I can swear it has been driven very little since new!

[Bluesman]

The nice fella at the BAR station has a book and computer data base that he uses to show you what was required on that old engine of yours. He stood over my engine and said, "lose the mechanical advance distributor". "Put a Ford MotorSport (NAPA) 4 barrel in place of that nice zinc plated Holly". "Drive it in here at
8 degrees advanced". I did it. He got off on the "GOD" thing. Everyone was happy. I even brought do-nuts.
So my advice to anyone approaching that dream threshhold of actually seeing a questionable goal become a reality.... Put a 69' or older engine in your dream car.
Definition:
Engine = liquid means. I.E., gas, JP5, diesel etc.
Motor = solid means for propulsion. Can't throttle down. Ignites and goes baby!
I am working on a smog approved solid fuel motor for the cobra.

[Ron61]

Bud,

Bring a snow shovel, chain saw, 300 feet of chain link fence, some roofing, a new carport, paint for car repairs and explain this great weather to me while we are trying to move 8 huge live oak trees which fell, replace all the fence, get a new carport up, and still keep our cool at the cities insistance that we get permits to replace everything while they let those dopers live in a condemmed house down the street without power or water. ****, they don't even remove the red tag the city put on the door comdemming the place and ran an extension cord over to a neighbors garage without asking him about it. But we do have the great weather.

Ron

[Bud Man]

Ron:

I never said how LONG it would take!!!!!!!!!!

Just another day in Paradise...................

Bud

[Jamo]

Damn it, Bluesman hit on the essential element of dealing with these folks...never, ever forget the donuts!

Ron

That ain't fun...just keep at it. We've got a tree service coming in tomorrow to remove a huge willow in the back yard that the bugs got to, another tree that is ugly and spreads crap on the pool, and several eucalyptus that some other bugs got to. Just think of all sun you'll get to enjoy without all of that pesky shade in the "cool" Sacramento Valley summer.

[NROTOXIN]

At breakfast a fellow BACC member said that he got #140 at around 4:30.....Take it from there.

This is from the DMV website:
Specially constructed vehicles do not have a manufacturer assigned model year because they are esentially home-made vehicles. In the past these vehicles were subject to the emissions control requirements applicable to the year of the engine installed in the vehicle and the regular smog inspections per the county where the vehicle was registered. The year of the engine was determined by a Bureau of Automotive Repair (BAR) referee during the initial inspection.
In 2001, Senate Bill 100 passed which allowed the first 500 specially constructed passenger vehicles and pick-up trucks presented for original (initial) registration to DMV to have the year model for emissions control equipment and inspection purposes based on the appearance of the engine or the vehicle as a whole. In addition, if the vehicle or engine does not resemble an established make or year model BAR is required to assign 1960 as the year model for emission control purposes. In 2002, another Senate Bill passed, SB 1578, which allowed previously registered vehicles to be allowed this special consideration by BAR in addition to initial
registrations.

Jamo, Before 2001 that was the way to title a kit (by year of build) and smog (by engine year).....SB100/1578 supperseeds that now as I read it above.

Below states that after the 500 are gone the car/emissions defalt to the current year. This bill would require the department, if it receives during a
calendar year an application for registration of a specially
constructed passenger vehicle or pickup truck after it has registered
500 specially constructed vehicles during that calendar year, and
the vehicle has not been previously registered, to assign the same
model year as the calendar year in which the application is
submitted, for purposes of determining emissions control equipment
and inspection requirements for the vehicle. The bill would require
the department to deny an application for registration during a
calendar year of a specially constructed passenger vehicle or pickup
truck that was previously registered, if the application for
registration is received after the department has registered 500
specially constructed vehicles during that calendar year and the
application requests a model-year determination different from the
model-year determination assigned in the previous application. The
vehicle owner would be subject to the emission control and inspection
requirements applicable to the model-year assigned in the previous
registration. The bill would permit the vehicle owner to apply for a
different model-year determination in a subsequent calendar year
subject to the 500-vehicle annual limitation.

FYI, Don't worry or think about going to BAR and using the engine appearance/year when it is a SLAM DUNK by using the CAR model/year. curtis

[Jamo]

Curtis

What you read was the language from a bill, in this case SB 1578, not SB 100.

Actually codified in Vehicle Code 4750.1.

You're right...they slammed the door on the emissions being based on the engine year.

Turk...you're still screwed. Ron, hold off shooting the DMV employee...naw, go ahead.

SB 100 for first time registrations didn't do it, Johansson did it with the follow-up SB 1578 for previously registered special construction vehicles.

Damn.

[Turk]

Turk was (UNORTUNATELY) right again.

Nothing short of an armed uprising is going to get through to these idiots.

It is obvious, they can tolerate 500 and act as if they have done us a favor. I know the ones I have come in contact with the last time around, will get a joy out of telling the folks "Sorry, they are all gone".

I am trying to be right next year too.

I say next year all 500 numbers will be gone by 10:00 AM on January 2nd.

TURK

I am thinking about sending someone to go stand in line for me on December 15th.

[Jamo]

Yup, I (like you) was focusing on SB 100, and it was clear it did not supercede the previous provisions. Hadn't really looked at SB 1578 since it didn't concern me (my bad) since everyone reported it simply allowed folks to switch over if they got a number. I went back through the entire legislative history (a lengthy read). A lot of BS went on when the follow-up bill came through, and the greenies got their payback by doing away with the prior provisions, and including everyone in the 500.

Wished you were wrong, Turk...for your sake (and everyone else's).

[Ron61]

Turk, & Jamo,

I guess that the only alternative is to become an illegal alien, get a free drivers license and welfare and then have any car you want as the state doesn't have any power to force them into compliance since they are illegal and aren't under state control. Wonder how long it will be until we have to buy only state approved cars and they will have to be turned in every other year for a new model. Anyone know of a 1945 - 1960 car that could use the Kirkham body and suspension. I looked back and we didn't have any smog at all up here until 1966. I bought a brand new 1965 Galaxie 500XL with 390 and 4 speed and all it had was a PCV valve. No inspections of any kind. then in 1966 they started the smog stuff as a friend got a 1966 Fairlane GT and he had the smog stuff on it. Anything before 1966 requires no every other year visual inspections. My Comet is a 65 and I don't have any problem with it and can put any motor in it that I want. Maybe if everyone would just quit registering their cars for a year or so the loss of money would wake these people up.


Jamo, I hope that your tree comes out without any damage. They are going to grind the big stumps out where all of mine fell. Said it was faster and easier to do that than try to get them out any other way.

Ron

[Jamo]

Ron

As I'm writing this, I have 12 guys crawling all over my three acres, cutting off branches, taking out trees, using grinders on stumps and surface roots, two chippers, two small bobcats, etc. I hired the company that cleaned up Yosemite Valley a couple of years ago after the Merced River flooded. When I first talked to the owner about doing my place several weeks ago, I asked him if they could handle it. He asked if I remembered the Sahara Forest.

Just keep reminding yourself...Burton terms out in November...

[Ron61]

Jamo,

Your mess is as bad as mine. Right now I have three trucks, five people with chain saws and two chippers and two piles they are burning going. And they told me it will take at least 3 days. Tomorrow they will start the big stuff and also the company will be here to install the new carport. I have 260 feet of 6' chain link fence to be replaced once the tree company finishes their work. The city gave me a break on the canopy as the company is in Chico and happened to have a crew coming to Redding tomorrow and they told me if the city would give me the ok they will load up my canopy and install it tomorrow. I know one of the building inspectors and he told me to have them go ahead and as soon as I got the engineering papers from them to bring them over and I could get the permit then. Man, once this mess is over with I am going to just take a day and do absolutely nothing as I haven't had any rest or sleep for a week now. Good luck on your's. I know you will be happy when it is done too.

Ron

[SkipB]

Hey guys,

I finally got my SB100 number!!!! I had hired a service to get it for me, but it took until today (Tuesday) to get it. I am #2004-207. But guess what, the guy from the service forgot to get the temporary sticker! So, I have to wait until tomorrow to pick that up. At least I have an SB100 number! It should be worth the wait , and at least I can sleep tonight! The DMV "thinks" the numbers should last until late February. However, this is just a guess on their part. The big rush was last Friday as most people were off work. Then it has slowed down considerably as you can tell by number being issued today about 1 PM. I wouldn't relax too much, but the panic seems to be over. Also, the DMV is not at all familiar with the idea of withholding 100 for last years registration fiasco. They claim there will be 500 numbers given out in 2004. Let's hope they are right.

Sorry about your tree problem. In my neighborhood (San Diego) we just burned them down along with about 350 houses. Faster, but much messier! The fire came within about 300 yards of my home. I am really lucky to have a garage for Old #90.

[Ron61]

Skip,

Congratulations on getting your number and you were really fortunate about the fire. I watched that day and night on TV as we have some bad ones up here. I have sit in my back yard and waved at the Borate bomber pilots as they fly so low you could hit them with a rock. But they do a heck of a job. I can relete to the fire more than this snow mess as I have been through so many. This is the first serious damage I have ever had from snow, but it was a mess. I finally have everything straightened out except the new fence that has to be put up and the guy just left from measuring and will call me in the morning with the price. $$$$$$$ Then comes the fight with my insurance company and I may have to hire Jamo to help. I have had this house insurance since I built my house in 1976 and have turned in one claim that they paid $235 dollas on and now they want to haggle. I have paid enough premiums over those years to more than double what they would have to pay. But at least most of the worry is over.

Ron

[SkipB]

Ron61,

If there is one thing I learned recently about insurance, it is never to believe your agent. Go in and double what you have. Sure the premium goes up, but it is worth it. Just ask any of my 14 friends that lost homes recently. They thought they had "full replacement coverage". (Most had recently reviewed their policys with their agents!) This means the insurance company may rebuild the house to the standards set when the house was originally built. In other words, any new regulations/ordinances will not be covered! Most of my friends will spend between $50- $100K of their own money to replace the home they lost. Granted, most will also improve what they had, but a vast majority of the money spent is for what was not covered.

Back to Cobras. You can't imagine how relieved I was to get a call about SB100 today. I was actually thinking about selling my car if I could not get a number. Kinda stupid, but it made sense at 3AM when I couldn't sleep.

I don 't know about you, but having a Cobra to drive has become pretty darned important to me. I can't tell you exactly why, but I think all of us have some need for these cars!

[Snak Iyz]

BUT, I finally have my SB number. SB2004-010. Not quite sure how I received such a low number, but I am happy to just have one.

Now comes playing temporary 'tag' and extending the temporary permit once maybe twice, until I can have her on the road in mid-March.....

One step at a time.

- Snak Iyz

[DaveR]

Turk,

You said earlier in this thread that an SB100 number will not expire, even though the holder will have to trailer his vehicle around to the required sites. Worst case scenario question - what if the holder doesn't complete the vehicle until the following year?

[Turk]

First of all Turk being right was NOT accurate . OBVIOUSLY...
Here it is the 15th of January, they are not out of numbers. NOT YET anyways..

I have been wrong and I could be again. I understood it to mean upon completetion..

Let's say the numbers were not issued as briskly as they are this year. Let's say here it was the 15th. of December, like it was two years ago and you were given SB-100 number 345. They give you a temporary good for 60 days, and nowhere do I see you must complete youyr car by December 31st.

My initial reaction is it should NOT expire by the end of the year if you have secured a number.

Is it indefinite? I honestly can't answer that. Also let's not forget, the fact that state is issuing numbers 400 and up (obviously they reserved for themselves) to correct the title problems stemming from earlier years, involving Larry Marsh and Tittles Unlimited.

The short version is, Even though we have not reached SB100 #300 yet, don't assume there are 200 and more .
My belief is State will camp on numbers 400-500 and will probably release them towards the end of the year as they become unnecessary.

TURK
If your car is drivable, you don't need to trailer it from place to place. CHP may be abvle to issue a VIN number or a VIN verification without the car running, but I am afraid, the Smog referee, and the Brake and Light Station will need a drivable car.