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Old 01-12-2004, 02:35 PM
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Brent- That you for tha thorrible warning that there are pompus A$$ that own cobra's and even original CSX's too. Your deserve an A for your diplomacy skills even though they were wasted on a POS!.. Maybe E.T. got back in his space ship and searched for intelligent life somewhere else!!! We could only be so lucky. I appreciate the newsletter and think you do a great job. You can have a thousand compliments and one negative comment and that's one you remember. So delete this one and you still have a thousand compliments!

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Brent, I think your character in this matter represents the Club very well. Doesn't matter to me if he ownes one or not. Doesn't matter what kind of knowledge he has if doesn't want to share.

Is it just me or is ther some underlying conotation (sp?) in the way some here have said 'delete'?
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Brent, well done, but this guy wasn't worth your patience. Also this guy is my age, he seemed to have aged with double speed, and he's confusing arrogance with intelligence.
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I'M SORRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I WANT BACK IN....... I WAS ONLY KIDDIN'''' pleeeeeeese......
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Regarding the title,


You don't need to.
The majority of us enjoy the site even when the SB/BB, Real/Fake arguments are active, even the occasional troll is ok.

Otherwise we wouldn't be here.


You have created and maintained an excellent gathering place for us sicko's.
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Brent,

Was really kind of surprised that you spent as much time with him as you did...

What was it that fired him off....
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Okay Real1, that was your Dad wasn't it? Just kidding, Just kidding! Really.
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it has been my experience that those that complain the most, usually got the service for free.

The way i explain it to my frustrated partners is thus:

if the patron doesn't pay for the service, then it has "no value", and hence, the service was "worthless".

Simple, at least to me.

I have heard that there is 7% of one's business that simply will never be happy or content with whatever one does for them.

I have another defensive way of silently dealing with such people. i simply mutter under my breath "you are having a bad day, all your days are bad days, every minute of your life is a bad day, of your own choice. I, on the other hand, am having a good day, excepting the 15 minutes i am spending in this room with you. And as soon as you walk out the door, i am back to having a good day again, unlike you, who are unhappy and discontented every waking moment."
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Damn! Someone should take MY mother to task for having me too late to get to ride in an original back in the day.
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Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD)
Definition, Fact Sheet and Tips


What is Narcissism?

A pattern of traits and behaviors which signify infatuation and obsession with one's self to the exclusion of all others and the egotistic and ruthless pursuit of one's gratification, dominance and ambition.

Most narcissists (75%) are men.

NPD is one of a "family" of personality disorders (formerly known as "Cluster B").

Other members: Borderline PD, Antisocial PD and Histrionic PD.

NPD is often diagnosed with other mental health disorders ("co-morbidity") - or with substance abuse, or impulsive and reckless behaviors ("dual diagnosis").

NPD is new (1980) mental health category in the Diagnostic and Statistics Manual (DSM).

There is only scant research regarding narcissism. But what there is has not demonstrated any ethnic, social, cultural, economic, genetic, or professional predilection to NPD.

It is estimated that 0.7-1% of the general population suffer from NPD.

Pathological narcissism was first described in detail by Freud. Other major contributors are: Klein, Horney, Kohut, Kernberg, Millon, Roningstam, Gunderson, Hare.

The onset of narcissism is in infancy, childhood and early adolescence. It is commonly attributed to childhood abuse and trauma inflicted by parents, authority figures, or even peers.

There is a whole range of narcissistic reactions - from the mild, reactive and transient to the permanent personality disorder.

Narcissists are either "Cerebral" (derive their narcissistic supply from their intelligence or academic achievements) - or "Somatic" (derive their narcissistic supply from their physique, exercise, physical or sexual prowess and "conquests").

Narcissists are either "Classic" - see definition below - or they are "Compensatory", or "Inverted" - see definitions here: "The Inverted Narcissist".

NPD is treated in talk therapy (psychodynamic or cognitive-behavioral). The prognosis for an adult narcissist is poor, though his adaptation to life and to others can improve with treatment. Medication is applied to side-effects and behaviors (such as mood or affect disorders and obsession-compulsion) - usually with some success.

Please read CAREFULLY!

The text in italics is NOT based on the Diagnostics and Statistics Manual, Fourth Edition-Text Revision (2000).

The text in italics IS based on "Malignant Self Love - Narcissism Revisited", fourth, revised, printing (2003)

An all-pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behaviour), need for admiration or adulation and lack of empathy, usually beginning by early adulthood and present in various contexts. Five (or more) of the following criteria must be met:

Feels grandiose and self-important (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents to the point of lying, demands to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)

Is obsessed with fantasies of unlimited success, fame, fearsome power or omnipotence, unequalled brilliance (the cerebral narcissist), bodily beauty or sexual performance (the somatic narcissist), or ideal, everlasting, all-conquering love or passion

Firmly convinced that he or she is unique and, being special, can only be understood by, should only be treated by, or associate with, other special or unique, or high-status people (or institutions)

Requires excessive admiration, adulation, attention and affirmation - or, failing that, wishes to be feared and to be notorious (narcissistic supply)

Feels entitled. Expects unreasonable or special and favorable priority treatment. Demands automatic and full compliance with his or her expectations

Is "interpersonally exploitative", i.e., uses others to achieve his or her own ends

Devoid of empathy. Is unable or unwilling to identify with or acknowledge the feelings and needs of others

Constantly envious of others or believes that they feel the same about him or her

Arrogant, haughty behaviours or attitudes coupled with rage when frustrated, contradicted, or confronted

Some of the language in the criteria above is based on or summarized from:

American Psychiatric Association. (2000). Diagnostic and statistical manual of mental disorders, fourth edition, Text Revision (DSM IV-TR). Washington, DC: American Psychiatric Association.

The text in italics is based on:

Sam Vaknin. (2003). Malignant Self Love - Narcissism Revisited, fourth, revised, printing. Prague and Skopje: Narcissus Publication.

For the exact language of the DSM IV criteria - please refer to the manual itself !!!



FIVE DON'T DO'S
How to Avoid the Wrath of the Narcissist


Never disagree with the narcissist or contradict him

Never offer him any intimacy

Look awed by whatever attribute matters to him (for instance: by his professional achievements or by his good looks, or by his success with women and so on)

Never remind him of life out there and if you do, connect it somehow to his sense of grandiosity

Do not make any comment, which might directly or indirectly impinge on his self-image, omnipotence, judgment, omniscience, skills, capabilities, professional record, or even omnipresence. Bad sentences start with: "I think you overlooked ... made a mistake here ... you don't know ... do you know ... you were not here yesterday so ... you cannot ... you should ... (perceived as rude imposition, narcissists react very badly to restrictions placed on their freedom) ... I (never mention the fact that you are a separate, independent entity, narcissists regard others as extensions of their selves, their internalization processes were screwed up and they did not differentiate properly) ..." You get the gist of it.



The TEN DO'S
How to Make your Narcissist Dependent on You
If you INSIST on Staying with Him


Listen attentively to everything the narcissist says and agree with it all. Don't believe a word of it but let it slide as if everything is just fine, business as usual.

Personally offer something absolutely unique to the narcissist which they cannot obtain anywhere else. Also be prepared to line up future sources of primary NS for your narcissist because you will not be IT for very long, if at all. If you take over the procuring function for the narcissist, they become that much more dependent on you which makes it a bit tougher for them to pull their haughty stuff - an inevitability, in any case.

Be endlessly patient and go way out of your way to be accommodating, thus keeping the narcissistic supply flowing liberally, and keeping the peace (relatively speaking).

Be endlessly giving. This one may not be attractive to you, but it is a take it or leave it proposition.

Be absolutely emotionally and financially independent of the narcissist. Take what you need: the excitement and engulfment and refuse to get upset or hurt when the narcissist does or says something dumb, rude, or insensitive. Yelling back works really well but should be reserved for special occasions when you fear your narcissist may be on the verge of leaving you; the silent treatment is better as an ordinary response, but it must be carried out without any emotional content, more with the air of boredom and "I'll talk to you later, when I am good and ready, and when you are behaving in a more reasonable fashion".

If your narcissist is cerebral and NOT interested in having much sex - then give yourself ample permission to have "hidden" sex with other people. Your cerebral narcissist will not be indifferent to infidelity so discretion and secrecy is of paramount importance.

If your narcissist is somatic and you don't mind, join in on endlessly interesting group sex encounters but make sure that you choose properly for your narcissist. They are heedless and very undiscriminating in respect of sexual partners and that can get very problematic (STDs and blackmail come to mind).

If you are a "fixer", then focus on fixing situations, preferably before they become "situations". Don't for one moment delude yourself that you can FIX the narcissist - it simply will not happen. Not because they are being stubborn - they just simply can't be fixed.

If there is any fixing that can be done, it is to help your narcissist become aware of their condition, and this is VERY IMPORTANT, with no negative implications or accusations in the process at all. It is like living with a physically handicapped person and being able to discuss, calmly, unemotionally, what the limitations and benefits of the handicap are and how the two of you can work with these factors, rather than trying to change them.

FINALLY, and most important of all: KNOW YOURSELF.
What are you getting from the relationship? Are you actually a masochist? A codependent perhaps? Why is this relationship attractive and interesting?
Define for yourself what good and beneficial things you believe you are receiving in this relationship.
Define the things that you find harmful TO YOU. Develop strategies to minimize the harm to yourself. Don't expect that you will cognitively be able to reason with the narcissist to change who they are. You may have some limited success in getting your narcissist to tone down on the really harmful behaviours THAT AFFECT YOU which emanate from the unchangeable WHAT the narcissist is. This can only be accomplished in a very trusting, frank and open relationship.


(Co-authored with Alice Ratzlaff - More here: "The Inverted Narcissist")

http://www.healthyplace.com/communit...m_defined.html
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Good job, Brent. But who the heck was this guy?

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Well Stated Brent! Thank You!!!!

It is obvious that this "person" is worthless to himself and has nothing of any value to bring to Club Cobra.
What a Flaming Pie!!!!!

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Old 01-12-2004, 05:10 PM
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Brent, BRAVO ZULU my good man! (aka Job Well Done)!
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Nice work Brent....the writing style reminds me of The Deacon or mechanic....


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Brett,

Well done ...undoudtedly a perfect diagnosis.
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Brett B.
,,,,,still digesting your very interesting discussion of narcissism. I think I know someone like this, more than just your basic a$$hole, a really disgusting one. Always has been, and now I understand, always will be! This has helped in figuring out how to deal with the problem.

...just making lemonade out of lemons!

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Brett,

It was only a rhetorical question when I asked, "what set him off".
I'm too old to read your entire posting on narcissizm so I'm going to assume it's correct... After all, you are the doctor....

and please, no negative implicatiions or accusations....
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What a phuckin' a$$hole!!!

That said, my vote is to "out" the prikk! Someone post a pole.
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Lightbulb Forgot the HOLE

ASS is part of the backside of this penisweed. The hole is the front side. And it stinks when you face it and hear it spew its worthless opinion and thoughtless babble.

Oh, and we all have one of each... an a$$hole and an opinion (in addition to all else). But this one has nothing but the hole. So intercourse 'em.

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Oh-Boy! I never knew! From now on I am going to check to see if Dr. Bolte is signed on to anyalyze my posts. I'd hate to see his little black book!

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