Full Cup Motor Cobra Charlotte area.

[DAVID GAGNARD]

Real 1;

No matter how much hp someone has,it will never be enough for someone else......Take a ride in an FFR Spec Racer,250 hp,273 rear gear,with a good driver and well set-up car and he'll scare the daylights out of you,much less 500+ hp... I have seen one Superformance with a big block that dyno'ed at 648hp.... Not needed,NO,but that's what the owner wanted and that's what he paid for and got....

BTW,Nextel Cup parts are of the highest quality and some of the best and most reliable parts you can put in an engine.... I know of several top notch dirt track teams around here that run Cup motors or at least parts,they claim they actually save money by using these parts because they last so long with only routine mantinence.....

The way I look at it,.it's his money and buisness what he puts under his hood....The owners of these cars are responsible for their car and their actions or lack of actions,not the engine builders or car manufacteres....

I beleive mrmustang means well with his post about liability issues,but when we resort to suing the engine builders for building too much dangerous hp,then this whole country of ours will be in one hell of a situation......People need to take responsibility for their own actions and not try to find someone else to sue and blame their mistakes on.....

Just my .02 cents on the subject.....

David

[ToyCollector]

Originally posted by REAL 1


Why would anyone need that much horsepower in a Cobra especially for street use?

Did you mean show use?

Same reason people buy CSXs. Because they can. Never mind the braggin rights that go with it----which is important for some. Frankly, in my mind's eye, the approach and technique to drive a 450HP car safely is the same approach and technique to drive a 600HP car, 750HP car, and so forth. It's the driver and in what venue that this power is unleashed, and not the HP that make things safe or unsafe. Will there be a point where all that power and torque can't get to the ground anyways and it becomes a waste of money--yes.

[mrmustang]

David,

Stranger lawsuits have happened, I just made the suggestion that they get some type of liability waiver for their own protection against such a frivilous lawsuit...............


Bill S.

[DAVID GAGNARD]

mrmustang;

I understand your point very well,(I deal with personal injury attorneys daily),and as I said,I think you have nothing but the best of intentions with your post.....

My problem is when something like that happens the first thing someone does is try to figure out who he can blame and sue for it.....

I,too, have seen some very strange lawsuits.....Recently worked a claim with a 17 year old girl killed in an auto accident. She was a passenger in a car that was "at fault" in the accident....He parent's attorney sued the guy and his insurance company that was "not at fault",but collided with the other car and killed the young girl..... He statement was "if the other guy would not have been on the road at the time, the accident would not have occured and this 17 year old girl would be alive today".... Go figure....Now they have to go to court to defend this and hoepfully the judge will throw it out,but, they still have to pay an attorney to defend them when they were not at fault....

David

[coyled]

For you guys that have not been involved with some of these lawsuits, heres how it works. Somebody gets hurt, everybody gets sued. Then, you get to spend money to defend yourself. If its cost too much to defend or if there is a 10% chance you might loose, you settle. Some call it legal extortion. Liability waivers won't pay your legal fee's. Scott

[computerworks]

Can all you "lawyers" retire to chambers and discuss this on another thread?

I'd like to read about Full Cup Motors and Cobras here.

[Hal Copple]

Toy Collector, the place that sells new and used Circle Track parts, often for pennies on the dollar, is Dave Jensen Enterprises, South, Inc, phone 704-662-3819, just north of Mooresville in a NASCAR manufacturer's Park. Dave is there, as is Howard Bowen, his chief sales guy. They have a vast variety of stuff new and used, fluids, brakes, axles, all sorts of fasteners, just about anything. I like to wander around the used shelves, and pick up all the custom modified parts, they have a tag on each part that says which team used it. Lots of unused, probably kept for spares. They ship, too. I don't know much for a street replica guy, but if you want to do some sort of custom modification to your car or drivetrain, you can often find some part that a shop made up, and you can use. Cheap.

Plus, they are really friendly chaps, too.

[ToyCollector]

Thanks Hal for such a thorough response. I am glad my mind remembers this stuff and who to ask.

[REAL 1]

Street use and show use are synomous in most cases.

750hp is just not needed on the street. But then again neither is 500hp. Its just that at a certain point its just bragging rights. I agree.

As to frivilous lawsuits, fact is thats the party line propaganda from the insurance industry. Today because of non sense propaganda like the forgoing from the insurance industry most people today have the immediate reaction that as long as its not their lawsuit as plaintiff they are all frivilous, right? Its only when you have a claim its meritourious.

Most lawsuits are not frivilous. Frivilous claim means having no basis in law or fact to assert the claim or defense or to argue a reasonable extension of existing law. There are laws in N.J. which impose penalties for frivilious lawsuits or defenses. No one looks to be penalized for violating the Frivilous law statute. Frivilous cases are a waste of time and money. Most attorneys look to avoid wasting time and money.

Are there ridiculous lawsuits. Yeah. But they are such a minority its comical. They get the notority because of their silliness and because "Big Business" looks to capitalize on the propaganda opprotunity against "All these frivilous lawsuits".

Mr. Gagnard: What were all the "facts" in the death case you mention. It was "frivilous" to sue the owner of the car that collided with car in which the decedent was a passenger? Really? Thats amazing you could conclude the other driver had no resonsibilty without discovery. Did the "at fault driver" or his lawyer admit to 100% responsibilty? Did his insurance coompany admit to 100% liability? Unless discovery was already completed with all sworn testimony of all witnesses to the accident and operators completed indicating that the other driver could not reasonably be found by a jury to be in any degree at fault for the collision and or the "at fault driver agreed not to crossclaim or seek to blame the other driver in part for what happened I would have sued all operators and owner involved in a heartbeat.

A girl is killed in an automobile accident and you expect attorneys to make determinations as to fault before all the facts are discovered? Come on.

[RPM]

I didn't realize I was dealing with a bunch of lawyers. I think as Computerworks said you should get over the legal stuff and and have some fun with the actual topic. Which part of that did the Real One guy not get? I heard that we have 1 mouth and 2 ears from the factory for a reason. That is listen twice as much as we speak.
We are hard core racers and would like to be a part of this group but this seems a little out of control.
Now getting back to the real issue and telling what our intentions are long term.
We would like some feedback regarding what we are thinking of doing for Cobra Owners nationwide.
What would the Club Cobra Owners feel about a Beauty and the Beast Brunch held Saturdays(Once Monthly) from 10-2 as an open house opportunity to bring and show your Cobra(beauty) while viewing "The Beast" a 700hp-800hp Winston Cup Car and facility. This would provide you, the Cobra Owner to get inside an industry race shop, pick up some advice and make new connections while visit the World Center of Stock Car Racing, Charlotte, North Carolina. We encourage out of Staters to come down during one of the 2 Charlotte race weeks.
Please post back on this thread if you would attend at least once during the next 12 months.
We most often can't get to the phone to return calls until late or the next day so don't get discouraged if you call and get the machine. If we talk too much mork doesn't get out the door. We have yet to find a secretary that will put up with different personalities LOL (We are Californians, Southern Rebels, Yankees and more) Need we explain further.

[DAVID GAGNARD]

Computeworks/Ron,please move my responce here to the lounge or whatever it takes,I'm not sure how to do it....Also,I agree,this "lawyer" stuff should not be on this topic,please excuse me for replying to Evans last post....

Evan;

I'm not bashing lawyers here at all,even though it may seem so...

The facts in this accident are very plain and simple.... Our insured driver made a left turn from one state highway onto another state highway right in front of a 1 ton dually pulling a 30ft. gooseneck trailer that was traveling at or below the posted speed limit....That driver did everything humanly possible to avoid a collision,he could not and hit the car broadside killing the rear passenger.... The insurance company I work for did indeed take FULL (100%) responsibilty for the accident and within 10 days offered the parents of the deceased the FULL (100%) policy limits along with a copy of the policy. They said they would think it over,the next day we got a letter from an attorney (actually 2 different firms) saying they were representing the parents of the deceased and all correspondence was to go to them,they requested the insurance policy and were given them and the same offer of the policy limits.... The two firms also wanted all our investigative info on the other driver with his insurance provider and any other info we had on him (they were too lazy to get their own copy of the accident report with all this info from the state police,they charge a whopping 5 bucks for them)....

This is a clear cut case,our driver was at fault,everyone admitted that,we offered full policy limits within a very reasonable time frame,they refused,what else do they expect to get????????The offer was in the six figures and I have seen cases involving deaths settled for a lot less....

BTW,the girls left school an hour early to go to a retirment party for a teacher,they all had signed permission slips from their parents giving the school permission to let them out early,they are on record in the school office....Guess who else is being sued,the school-school board,and the principal for letting them out early....with their parents knowledge and consent!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Also,I do not neccassarily blame the lawyers here,we have found out the parents are the ones behind these actions just as much if not more than the attorneys....Evan,all this came about after depositions were taken from all parties invovled as well as all witnesses,as well as the school personel..... All the facts were "discovered" and put on the table for all to see....

BTW;here in Louisiana anyone can sue anyone for anything without any fear of retribution or other consequences... We have no laws form stopping frivolous law suits that I know of....

I really do not believe the insurance industry puts out propaganda as you state,facts are that there are some insurance companys that do not want to pay their claims,I'll be the first to admit it,I have to deal with them on a daily basis as well,but you do not want to get into a pi$$ing match over who's worse,the big bad insurance company or the personal injury (ambulance chasing) attorneys that buy accident reports from the cops and contact accident victims begging to take their case as soon as they get home from the accident!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Evan,for every story you call tell about the big bad insurance company,I'll tell you two about unethical and illegal action taken by lawyers that I have personally dealt with.....

Ron;again I'm sorry about posting this after you said to move it to another place,please accept my apology and move this where ever you think it belongs....

David

[clayfoushee]

RPM, there would be a lot of people interested.

And yes, please, attorneys back in your offices, at least on this topic (as our learned moderator, Computerworks suggested). There are a number of people interested in hearing about what a guy like RPM with substantial Winston Cup experience has to say. I have no desire to put a "Cup" motor in my car, but I do like the opportunity to participate in a discussion without hearing about how unrealistic, outrageous, or imprudent it might be. I think most everyone here understands the challenges of high HP in a light, short wheelbase.

Let's just pretend this is a hypothetical exercise for the sake of discussion here, OK? Suspend your disbelief and "real world" concerns, and let the motor experts exchange views.

[mrmustang]

For the record, I am not a lawyer, nor do I play one on TV .


Bill S.

[DAVID GAGNARD]

Back to the original topic at hand,Cup motors and parts.....
I do not need a Cup motor for my purposes,nor can I afford one although they go for a lot less than I would have thought they would,but will be looking into some parts for my next motor,possibly in the flywheel/clutch area... I have seen some of their "lightweight" stuff and it may possibly help on the track car I hope to build later this year for next years racing season....

David

[RPM]

A glimpse of hope from the sporty car guys.

To the supporters, Thank You.

To the others...Start drink'n early and say good night which leads me to another topic. We are in the moonshine belt..

[Hal Copple]

well, as for the lawyer stuff, about two years ago, was sent to jury duty, did my part, was selected, appointed as jury forman, and when the judge sent us out to deliberate, a simple drunken driving arrest, i sat everbody down around the table, and after awhile, we went out, and i gave the verdice.

after we were done, one of the lady jurors told me "you were really good, you must have been a forman before."

I laughed, and told her i never severed before, but i have how it is done in the movies, used to watch a lot of Perry Mason, so i just did it like they did on the big screen.

Like we like to say in medicine, "see one, do one, teach one."

Back to engines: RPM, i cruise a lot up in the Moorseville area, where is your shop anyway? Perhaps i can drop by, show off my car.

[Hal Copple]

see RPM, some of us Snake Drivers do pretend to be racers, here is my son in our Superformance on the infield track at CMS.

http://www.clubcobra.com/photopost/d...SPF_at_CMS.jpg

[RPM]

We are located right off Rout 16 next door to Tony Stewarts toy store. The address is 744 Crosspoint Drive, Denver, N.C. 28037.
Puch in the old mapquest or call us if you get lost. We are in an electric gated facility so we need to know when your coming ahead of time.
You'll get to meet all the nut we got locked up here..

[Hal Copple]

Ok, messed up, forgot the image button, but here once again is our famous SPF making like the Big Dogs at CMS.

(fixed the pic...ron)

[RACER X #99]

RPM,
Wasn't Ricky Rudds venture into Cup ownership also called RPM?

This crowd here is a tough sell on any engine that doesn't start with FE as most here are into car shows and that means open the hood and show what you got.

I like to think any engine builder with a solid background in Nascar could do well selling HP Fords to some Cobra racers. I just am not sure where you are gonna find them.

Around here seems like if your a Nascar type you don't really know much about REAL racing, but on the other hand I haven't seen any add for Racing engines for Cobras from any of the F1 racing teams.

Good luck, If I already didn't have every last penny in my engine I might just look you guys up.

RD