SB 100 Sealed filler cap????

[Steve Dickey]

Gang,
I have been doing a little research as to what I will be put through at the California Bureau of Automotive Repair(BAR) in preparation for my next step in the SB 100 registration process. I have read if registered according to the body style(1965) I will need a closed crankcase which evidently means a PVC, air cleaner to crankcase hose, and a sealed filler cap. I just installed a PVC, so I've got one of the three covered. I am left with a line to a remote breather from my intake which I will simply run instead to one of the air cleaner bases. My problem is my manifold has a filler tube with what I would describe as a vented filler cap. (I will try and post a picture, but I've failed so many times at this in the past its doubtful I'll be successful.)
My question is, have any of you run into this problem and how did you solve it or was it even a problem with the BAR????
Thanks in advance for taking the time to help, Steve

[Ibr8k4vetts]

Hi, Steve
Sorry to hear about your problem when I was at the BAR the guy was real cool about it all, he said I didn't even need the PVC and both valve covers have breathers as for my oil filler I took mine off and put a freeze plug in. Maybe you should try the Bar in Santa Barbara
Mike

[Jamo]

Read Meat's breakdown over at CobraTrader http://www.cobratrader.com/registrationCA.html...registering it by the body (1965) exempts you from smog requirements.

I was never even asked about the sealed filler cap, etc. I don't have a PVC valve nor do I have any hoses running to anything but the puke tank.

[Turk]

Steve,
The trip to BAR is supposed to be a routine exercise under the SB-100.
There should no concievable way they should fail you.
that is what SB-100 is all about. Take a car you built and have it certified for California regardles of it's gross polluting. PERIOD.

Unfortunately you can't win an argument at DMV or at BAR. So best thing is to take your stuff and make an appointment elsewhere. You would be surprised.

They have the same rule book, and yet look at all the experiences everyone is going through. All different. It all depends on where you went and who was behind the counter.

Good luck

TURK

[Jamo]

From what I read, Steve hasn't gone anywhere yet.

Steve

Anything that is 30 years old or older is exempt from smog requirements. From the California Health and Safety Code:

44011. (a) All motor vehicles powered by internal combustion
engines that are registered within an area designated for program
coverage shall be required biennially to obtain a certificate of
compliance or noncompliance, except for all of the following:
(1) Every motorcycle, and every diesel-powered vehicle, until the
department, pursuant to Section 44012, implements test procedures
applicable to motorcycles or to diesel-powered vehicles, or both.
(2) Any motor vehicle that has been issued a certificate of
compliance or noncompliance or a repair cost waiver upon a change of
ownership or initial registration in this state during the preceding
six months.
(3) (A) Prior to January 1, 2003, any motor vehicle manufactured
prior to the 1974 model-year.
(B) Beginning January 1, 2003, any motor vehicle that is 30 or
more model-years old....

The so-called SB100 legislation allows you to take advantage of the exemption by allowing you to register your car as if it was at least 30 years old.

That's why you want your car registered by the appearance of the body (1965). You could run a new engine, like I did with the Shelby motor, and it doesn't matter.

Calm down...you'll be ok.

[Steve Dickey]

Jamo,
Thanks, I did look at Meat's site. I probably shouldn't have as that is where I got the info regarding the sealed filler cap from. He stated that the 1965 requirements were a sealed case with a sealed cap, etc. I just don't want to go back twice if I can help it.

Turk,
Good to hear from you. I have not had the best of luck lately, maybe I should have someone else take the car in for me.........oh, wait a minute........that is how I got in trouble last time!!

Mike,
Thanks for the idea...........don't know where I will add oil....but then again FE's don't leak oil do they? See you at Hudson's next month???

It does make me feel better you guys did not have any problems, Thanks, Steve

[white rose]

I just took my car to the BAR in San Diego last week and it was a painless experiance. Ask what year I wanted to call the car, I said 1965. He looked the engine over, ran the smog check, gave me the finished paperwork and I was on my way. He did not look at the gas cap or any smog equipment or even care about the size of the engine, he called it a 1968 302. His words were it will not pass or fail and the test and paperwork are free. Hope that helps.

[Zoom This]

That's exactly the way mine went in San Pablo with the Smog Referee. He asked me what year the car is, and I said 1965. He asked what engine it had and I replied a 418 c.i. Ford, more accurately a 1969 351 Windsor. It went into the system as a 5.8 liter Ford motor. No hassles, no requirements.

[Rick Parker]

Steve: The filler cap in question is the oil filler cap. I should not be vented to the atmoshere but only by hose to the air filter base. Some had gauze in them and were not attached to the air filter, the "closed system" consists or recyling the vapors from the crankcase breather/oil filler tube back through the air filter assy by a hose and requires a closed (non vented) breather cap.

Rick

[Jamo]

Steve

I went back and reread Meat's article and saw the part you speak of. I do not know where he got that from or why he thinks it's required...maybe he could enlighten us here if he's reading this.

Seems to me that the 30 year rule (above) takes care of any such issue.

In any event, I have not heard of anyone (now watch someone post) having such an issue under SB100. It just isn't relevant once you have the exemption.

[johnbb]

They never looked at my gas cap or any other smog related stuff.
FFR 302 EFI. No problem.
Johnbgood

[white rose]

Might have got the information from the person who answers the phone at BAR. Told me make sure the car had gas, water, oil and a gas cap. Also said the test would cost $38. Test was free and they did not look any any smog equipment on the engine or the gas cap. Total time spent was about one half hour.