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Old 07-08-2007, 03:56 PM
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Keep it on track...this thread is about a$$holes.

Thank you all for your cooperation.
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"A builder is someone who has taken the time, patience, money and love and put together their 'unique' car"


Absolutely.....I couldn't put it better myself!

I take mine regularly to the local cruise and have been "blanked" several times by other Cobra drivers. My Cobra is a little rough around the edges, not even sprayed yet, but I am proud of it and there is not a single component I don't know because I built the whole thing myself. On those occasions I spend my time talking with the Mustang Camaro and Cuda guys who appreciate what its like to have grease under your fingernails
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Old 07-08-2007, 04:11 PM
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do you get your feelings hurt when other car guys do not wave?
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Old 07-08-2007, 04:22 PM
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pay attention to the little smiley faces in the post. Sarcasm my friend, it does not matter if it is built or bought.
Missed the wink, I stand corrected.....sorry.
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Old 07-08-2007, 04:50 PM
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Some boys grow into men but all their body parts don't, so they try to make up for their shortness in other ways.. putting down others when they don't have a clue while making fools of themselves in the process.
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Old 07-08-2007, 04:51 PM
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I think this event has less to do with check writers vs builders and more to do with a$$holes vs good guys.

I have several friends that fall in the check writing group and they are not only good guys but very knowledgeable car guys.

Some people think their time is far too valuable a commodity to spend it doing something they are not skilled at.

Throw in the fact that we are talking about a fairly high performance car that requires some expertise to build a safe dependable ride.
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Old 07-08-2007, 04:54 PM
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Just remember, sometimes some cars are sort of the opposite of porcupines (i.e. the pricks are on the inside).
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Old 07-08-2007, 05:34 PM
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I think this event has less to do with check writers vs builders and more to do with a$$holes vs good guys.

I have several friends that fall in the check writing group and they are not only good guys but very knowledgeable car guys.

Some people think their time is far too valuable a commodity to spend it doing something they are not skilled at.

Throw in the fact that we are talking about a fairly high performance car that requires some expertise to build a safe dependable ride.
Could not agree more. This thread is not about lumping income levels into one group.

Its about snobbery and elitist attitudes through percieved forms of entitlement because one guys car may or may not carry more dollar value than another's, or his supposed financial abilities or standings.

Its about a group of jerks that couldn't see the light of day (an original Cobra) because their head was buried too far up their backside (their own insecure egos). They displayed an inability to be polite, friendly, or cordial. Shallow people, we all know a few.

Its about the kind of person who gains personal satisfaction through scorn and critical attitude toward another. Sadly this attitude makes them feel better about themselves and because they lack that persons qualities, they feel threatened by them.

Bill made the right move, drive away.

I don't have any friends like those guys, please explain to me why anyone would want to hang and drive with them?
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Old 07-08-2007, 06:08 PM
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It is just common courtesy to be polite to someone. These guys are A-HOLES
PERIOD

To come over and gang up on someone they don't know and rip apart his car is messed up.( even if it was a POS) They didn't even have the manners to apologize for being rude after the fact or even wave.

H2Oman and I saw the most awful one off Cobra at a local car show and we were as polite as can be to the guy. He is very proud of the car and we were impressed buy his enthusiasm and would want to help him find vendor he is looking for or even cruise with him.
But aholes with attitudes can go intercourse themselves.
You have a stronger will than me Bill to deal with pricks like that. I hope to learn from your example.
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The funny thing about that kind of people is if almost any one of them were alone they probably would have come over and talked awhile and learned something. But in a group they all have to be smart a$$es. That goes for any kind of group. Be it motorcycles,cars, trucks, boats ect.

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Old 07-08-2007, 06:39 PM
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This is another perfect example of how the image of the Cobra has been redefined by bad replicas and a new reality of the Cobra has been created. These guys, as many others, could not spot an original if they were standing next to it... which they were. I know multiple owners of originals and they really get sick of bad kit car owners telling them how their cars are not correct when they have no idea what they are talking about. Regardless of what car you were driving these guys are obviously jerks but their comments also demonstrate the unfortunate fact that the proper image of what an actual Cobra looks like has been bastardized by the hundreds of misrepresentations running around.
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Old 07-08-2007, 07:02 PM
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MrMustang: This story made me laugh out loud. I imagine you listening to them pick away at the car, just letting the line out more and more until they strung themselves up. What a hoot!

Yeah, once they realized their mistake their shrinkage probably went to complete inversion.
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Old 07-08-2007, 07:08 PM
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It's really all about respect, enjoyment and passion for something. I like to play golf (major league hacker), but I'm also a fan and enjoy watching and cheering someone on when they hit a good shot (even if it's my competitor).

Glad to hear those idiots are hanging out on the West Coast! I wouldn't think about putting down anyone's car...whatever the make, it's the right car for that owner at that time.
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Old 07-08-2007, 07:21 PM
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Just go ahead and assume that everyone you meet is a dork.
If they turn out not to be a dork, it is a pleasant surprise. If they are a dork, it is not so much of a disappointment. Call people a dork right off the bat to see how they react. Non-dorks don't get as mad as actual dorks.
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Old 07-08-2007, 07:27 PM
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For those of you who felt the need to blast the "check writers", of which I am one, you might want to re-read Bill's post. The a$$holes he refered to all built their cars! Not all of us have the requisite skills to build the cars even though we may have the skills required to plan, spec, monitor, and maintain them. I don't have the skills required to perform good masonry or structural steel work either, but as a Quality Control Manager with 25 years of experience, I sure as hell know a class job from a poor one!
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Old 07-08-2007, 07:27 PM
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hehe, johan. substitute 'dick' in place of 'dork' and re-read your post! funny!

you know, Bill, it's hard to be patient and not act all smug and all, but aren't you glad you didn't blow a gasket and go on and on about it being an original and all. One of their own smoked them out. how fun.

victory and finally smugness was all yours. I'd have been laughing the whole way home. (if not nervous from driving someone else's original! )
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ps. check writer, and proud of it!
good god, imagine me trying to change the oil. You know, if i had a book i bet i could do it. Whaddya think??? I'm a quick learner.
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Old 07-08-2007, 07:30 PM
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Good, as I was just trying to be funny. The truth is that down here in the South we still give almost everyone the benefit of the doubt. We wave to each other as we walk down the sidewalk. We let people in while driving in traffic. Sure, there are some yankees down here messing things up, but we know where they live.
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Whats funny about this thread... is the way MM post was written .He is making it sound like all owners of this brand are aholes.. Not true. MM just came across a couple of inconsiderate people..no more no less. EOS.
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This is another perfect example of how the image of the Cobra has been redefined by bad replicas and a new reality of the Cobra has been created. These guys, as many others, could not spot an original if they were standing next to it... which they were. I know multiple owners of originals and they really get sick of bad kit car owners telling them how their cars are not correct when they have no idea what they are talking about. Regardless of what car you were driving these guys are obviously jerks but their comments also demonstrate the unfortunate fact that the proper image of what an actual Cobra looks like has been bastardized by the hundreds of misrepresentations running around.
My thoughts exactly...
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Old 07-08-2007, 08:36 PM
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Whats funny about this thread... is the way MM post was written .He is making it sound like all owners of this brand are aholes.. Not true. MM just came across a couple of inconsiderate people..no more no less. EOS.
Al,

Perhaps you think this what I attempted to portray because you are an FFR owner at this time and feel that I am attacking the brand or all of it's owners. I for one have nothing against the owners of FFR's or the brand itself having owned more than my fair share of them, and my plan to personally own another one or two of them in the future. I did and still do have a problem with the "gang mentality" that was shown that day, and just how that affected not only our interaction, but the end result(s). Also, as a matter of course, the fourth member of their group was not driving an FFR product, but a nice small block powered Unique 427SC, he genuinely wanted nothing more than to talk cars while his three fellow cruise mates wanted nothing more than to put down the car without even knowing what it was, why, simply because it was not an FFR roadster. The Unique owner apologized for his cruise mates lack of common sense and lack of comradere for a fellow cobra driver/owner. I would have loved to be a fly on the wall after I left as the Unique owner was genuinely concerned and was going to speak with his "friends" about how embarrassing they were. Of course the question I keep wondering is, are these FFR owners members of this forum or ffcobra, and if so, will they admit to their mistakes and offer an apology for their rude behavior that day? Of course I know that they are the minority and not the majority in this hobby. Ten again, this is not the first time I've been discriminated against for what brand Cobra I happen to have been driving, I've had others diss my old SPF, several of my FFR's, and even my Contemporary (when I sold my first FFR to purchased it), why, who knows, but the fact that it occurred and continues to occur in one way shape or form is what should be at issue. I kept my mouth shut that day, will I do so again, I guess that depends on the situation, but mostly likely yes, as some people get it and others do not.

Again just my continuing thoughts on this subject.

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