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09-26-2007, 01:43 PM
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Senior Club Cobra Member
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Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Northport,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Kirkham, KMP178 / '66 GT350H, 4-speed
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Originally Posted by CobraEd
What means COB & COX ?
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Serial number prefixes used by AC
CSX was Cobra Shelby eXport
COB was Cobra Oem Britain (UK)
COX was Cobra Oem eXport
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09-26-2007, 01:55 PM
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CC Member
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Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Corona del Mar,
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Cobra Make, Engine: FFR MKIII, FMS BOSS 302 "B" cam
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Yes but as you stated they were the supplier of rolling stock the Shelby. I'm OK with that from a historical / lineage point of view.
What I don't get is the crossover into what is clearly a clone or copy of a Shelby being included. Obviously there would never be an allowance for FFRs or ERAs for example, so why are Kirkhams included and other MFG's excluded? Does it become a point of accuracy? Where is the line drawn? Aluminum skin? Licensing agreements?
FYI I'm not trying to stir the pot here, just expressing my opinion.
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09-26-2007, 01:58 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Leicestershire,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Kirkham #523, 427 S/O
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My understanding was that the "C" in CSX & COB was simply the third letter in the alphabet to denote the third series cars. The previous series Ace's chassis numbers started with "A" and then "B".
I don't believe the "C" had anything to do with "Cobra".
Paul
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09-26-2007, 01:59 PM
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Senior Club Cobra Member
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Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Northport,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Kirkham, KMP178 / '66 GT350H, 4-speed
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Originally Posted by CNGreen
What I don't get is the crossover into what is clearly a clone or copy of a Shelby being included. Obviously there would never be an allowance for FFRs or ERAs for example, so why are Kirkhams included and other MFG's excluded? Does it become a point of accuracy? Where is the line drawn? Aluminum skin? Licensing agreements?
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Sure...understand.
It is the degree of accuracy and, more so, the aluminum body, in addition to the relationship as supplier of same to Shelby Autos.
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09-26-2007, 02:02 PM
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Senior Club Cobra Member
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Join Date: Mar 2001
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Cobra Make, Engine: Kirkham, KMP178 / '66 GT350H, 4-speed
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Originally Posted by FatBoy
My understanding was that the "C" in CSX & COB was simply the third letter in the alphabet to denote the third series cars. The previous series Ace's chassis numbers started with "A" and then "B".
I don't believe the "C" had anything to do with "Cobra".
Paul
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I gave the simple explanation...most people see the C as Cobra.
You're right it was the third product family to use the sequence...and, as such, was "C"
...but, it was no coincidence that:
"A" was for Ace
"B" was for Bristol
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"C" was for Cobra
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09-26-2007, 02:11 PM
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Join Date: May 2006
Location: Exeter,
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Cobra Make, Engine: KMP 498
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I will only participate in being a tool for the man, just because. I really do not think the KMP's should be in the regestry. I especially do not think the GT's should be there either. I am even totally against having the true "Poser" Shelby --the CSX cars in their either.
Book should have only original Shelbys!
New CSX's are a disgrase to the breed, fiberglass bodies, better cooling, better brakes, bla, bla, bla. Just another Replica with a fifty thousand dollar signature.- Saw one on a FFR at Monteray. Go figure?
If you want to be a Shelby owner step up and buy- Don't get the "Carbon Credit Feel Good" model and then hang out with the "Real" guys with your polished 482 KC motored chest hanging out- total "wanibee". I also think the government should not provide healtcare to your kids so you can keep gas in the Suburban!
LET US GET BACK TO THE FOUNDATION!
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09-26-2007, 02:25 PM
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Senior Club Cobra Member
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Correct, nobody said COB or COX was a Shelby, just like no one is saying a Kirkham is a Shelby.
SPF seems to have a bit of problem in that regard... 
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09-26-2007, 02:40 PM
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Cobra Make, Engine: spf 2112 *427 stroker windsor
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Im sure Shelbys given his blessing to adding Kirkham to the registry, and at the end of the day, thats what counts.
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09-26-2007, 03:11 PM
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Cobra Make, Engine: Shelby CSX4795 (Sold)
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Re-body?
If I re-body my CSX car with an alum Kirkham, do I get in the registry twice? 
jdog 
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09-26-2007, 03:29 PM
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Senior Club Cobra Member
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Cobra Make, Engine: Kirkham, KMP178 / '66 GT350H, 4-speed
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...you become a "story car"
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09-26-2007, 03:56 PM
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I thought we already read that story.
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09-26-2007, 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by CNGreen
What a scam. I love Kirkhams. But the only cars that should be in the registry are Shelbys. Period. The Kirkham is a great car but it doesn't belong in the registry any more than my Factory Five does.
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09-26-2007, 04:19 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Greenville,sc,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Kirkham 427 (KMP 266); CAV GT40
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hehe.........
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09-26-2007, 04:44 PM
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Cobra Make, Engine: CSX2321
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Originally Posted by Dan Stryffeler
I can understand the logic of including Kirkhams in the registry, at least based on the statements from the SAAC website main page. But I still don't think it is correct to include the cars in a "Shelby" registry,......
Dan
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Dan, I'm not sure I understand your post. The next Shelby American World Registry will contain chapters on various 'models' of Cobras and GT40's etc. The Kirkhams will be in a section for Kirkhams just as the AC MK IV has its own section. They are not listed with original period Cobras.
Some time later a second volumn will cover the Shelby's (GT350 etc), both orginal period cars and all others.
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09-26-2007, 04:46 PM
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Senior Club Cobra Member
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Cobra Make, Engine: Shelby CSX4795 (Sold)
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Prolog!
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Originally Posted by xlr8or
I thought we already read that story.
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That was just the prolog. I haven't actually done it yet. 
Although I'm seeing more reasons to do it every day! 
jdog
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09-26-2007, 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by computerworks
Serial number prefixes used by AC
CSX was Cobra Shelby eXport
COB was Cobra Oem Britain (UK)
COX was Cobra Oem eXport
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Thus COB is right hand drive and COX is left hand drive.
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09-26-2007, 04:54 PM
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Super Moderator
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Join Date: May 2001
Location: Fresno,
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Cobra Make, Engine: KMP 184/482ci Shelby
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My COX doesn't care which hand.
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09-26-2007, 05:36 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Atlanta,
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Cobra Make, Engine: CAV GT40 with 331 KC
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Does your COB care which ho......never mind.
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09-26-2007, 05:44 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: New Jersey,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Shelby Cobra CSX4206 aluminum body, original 1965 NASCAR 427 SO, Dual quads.
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My point was that neither COXs or COB ever saw SAI in the US. They were finished by AC and had AC badges. AC's supplied the bodies for the CSXs to SAI and CSXs wore Cobra badges.
Kirkhams that are not Shelbys never see SAI and do not wear Cobra badges from the Kirkham factory. Kirkham like AC also supplies SAI with bodies and chasis ala' AC in the 60 for Shelby Cobras.
Thats my point.
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09-26-2007, 06:03 PM
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Join Date: May 2001
Location: Fresno,
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Cobra Make, Engine: KMP 184/482ci Shelby
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Originally Posted by PatBuckley
Does your COB care which ho......never mind.
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I am not French!
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